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Post by G on Apr 17, 2011 10:24:45 GMT -5
As for DH Digital, they are offering the books at $1.99 I think that is why some positions were cut. This is another thing I can't see. I can't see paying $1.99 to see a comic book on your computer. I mean, they're barely good enough to be on paper. Some of them are not even worthy of being on paper. But at least I can file it away and call it mine. And even if I don't like it, it still has the potential to go up in value and even if it doesn't, it can probably be sold in a dumpster box for $1 each in most cases. I can't do jack with a digital comic except look at it and read it. Oh yeah, if I wanted to, I could look at it and read it again. There is nothing I can lay my hands on. I can't file it away and pick it back up again and admire it. I can't sell it to someone else for a loss or a profit. I can only live with the satisfaction of reading it. I think 99 cent's for something that takes a great deal of my collecting experience away from me is about right. $2 to see average comics is too expensive. I don't know about you, but when I go online I'm thinking about free. I've got tons of music for free. I have Pandora on my phone and can create my own free music stations. I've already seen tons of comics for free online. I'm not going to have a moment when I suddenly want to start paying for it. Especially seeing the comics I've been seeing in print. I guess this is why everything in print is glowing endless glowing colors. I guess the experience of glowing colors is greater online.
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Post by defiant1 on Apr 17, 2011 14:03:58 GMT -5
As for DH Digital, they are offering the books at $1.99 I think that is why some positions were cut. This is another thing I can't see. I can't see paying $1.99 to see a comic book on your computer. I mean, they're barely good enough to be on paper. Some of them are not even worthy of being on paper. But at least I can file it away and call it mine. And even if I don't like it, it still has the potential to go up in value and even if it doesn't, it can probably be sold in a dumpster box for $1 each in most cases. I can't do jack with a digital comic except look at it and read it. Oh yeah, if I wanted to, I could look at it and read it again. There is nothing I can lay my hands on. I can't file it away and pick it back up again and admire it. I can't sell it to someone else for a loss or a profit. I can only live with the satisfaction of reading it. I think 99 cent's for something that takes a great deal of my collecting experience away from me is about right. $2 to see average comics is too expensive. I don't know about you, but when I go online I'm thinking about free. I've got tons of music for free. I have Pandora on my phone and can create my own free music stations. I've already seen tons of comics for free online. I'm not going to have a moment when I suddenly want to start paying for it. Especially seeing the comics I've been seeing in print. I guess this is why everything in print is glowing endless glowing colors. I guess the experience of glowing colors is greater online. I agree. I can download all the free golden age comics I want for free. There are a couple of download sites and they are popping up at the internet archive site also. People are scanning comics as soon as they are released. I simply don't have any interest in reading comics online. I have no interest in trying to read them on an iPhone or iPad either. I won't even buy music CD's or movies unless I REALLY want them. I just don't see the point. A youtube video works fine if i just want to hear the song. Song are available online that I was never able to find on vinyl anyway. The music industry is already seeing a drop in online downloads and it's not bringing back the billions lost when the CD sales collapsed. Even if comics do find a niche market, the fad of downloading them will pass very quickly because there are enough free things to do online... why spend the money? If a consumer can justify waiting to buy something, most consumers will. With an actual printed comic, there is the interaction you have with other fans and there is a sense that you'd better buy it new in case the tangible item goes up in value. That sense of need goes away if something is readily available with one click. Nobody pays a grand for an Amazing Fantasy #15 so they can have the story. They buy it so they can have an individual piece of history. A tangible item that represents that month in 1962 when it was released. df1
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Post by cyberstrike on Apr 18, 2011 8:41:32 GMT -5
Hey Cyber have you seen the new GameInformer? It has a cover story abouot ME3 and holy crap am I excited for that game. I am playing through #2 again at this time. I haven't read the comics of it yet, but I hear they and the novels are pretty damn good. Yes, I know about the Game Informer but I haven't seen a copy anywhere yet, but I did read the articles on the Game Informer website. You must read Mass Effect: Redemption it's a vital to understand Liara's arc from Mass Effect 1 to Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 2: Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC. DH is already stated (or rumored) to be working on Mass Effect comics to come out later this year. I have all 3 of the current novels all written by Drew Karpyshyn, (who was the lead writer on Mass Effect 1): Mass Effect: Revelation which is a prequel to the first game, and it's about the mission that Anderson went on with Saren (that Anderson talks about briefly in Mass Effect 1) and why these two hate each other so much. It also goes into much detail about the batarians, their culture and society. If you don't like Saren from the first game then you will really hate him after reading this one. Mass Effect: Ascension is the second novel and is IMHO the best one. It's the debuts of the Illusive Man, the Collectors, the Omega Space Station. This story shows just how far Cerberus will go to achieve their ends, and it also shows the quarians society and culture and the events in this book are referred to a lot in Mass Effect 2. The third novel, Mass Effect: Retribution is IMHO the weakest one. It's about the Illusive Man injecting some Reaper tech into a former Cerberus operative and when he escapes, it's up to Anderson, Kahlee Sanders (who is the reluctant heroine in all 3 books), Aria T'Lok (the Pirate Queen of Omega), and an Cerberus assassin to stop him from helping the Reapers arrive early. A fourth novel is coming out later this year called Mass Effect: Deception by a new writer.
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Post by bigw1966 on Apr 18, 2011 21:49:38 GMT -5
I am on book 10 of a 14 book series by Robert Jordan right now, but was considering reading a couple of those ME novels before the game comes out. Thanks for the heads up on which read better.
As for the digital comics, We are really not the audience for them. I will make them and make money from them, but currently I haven't got an interest in reading them. Now the people they are after are younger, or tech savvy that see something featuring one of their properties., like Walking Dead which benefitted, and for Dark Horse, there is already massive interest in the Star Wars titles.
I like a number of properties from Dark Horse myself. I read all of the Hellboyverse titles. I like the GOON and sometimes I will read the ALIEN books depending on who is doing them. I don't follow much else from them though.
Pricewise, $1.99 is a solid price considering the cost of print and what the other people are charging. You will see it existing hand in hand with print. I do not agree with the "FREE" comics you mention. As someone who does created work for money, I see how it undermines the creative teams ability to actually make money or even the comic shop when people feel entitled to something for free and go to where they can get it that way. I don't read those either.
Another thing about digital comics, is that it is still in its infancy. Sure I posted that video by Mcloud and they have been around for a while. but, now that they are getting notice, they are beginning to change shape. Pacing is looked at different because of how the product is delivered. Some have soundtracks. some have moving backgrounds or are damn near an animated film. I think creatively we will see a convergance of ideas with comics, gaming and animation where either the tools or storytelling technique will bleed over and change the experiences we have.
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Post by G on Apr 19, 2011 23:35:33 GMT -5
Pricewise, $1.99 is a solid price considering the cost of print and what the other people are charging. You will see it existing hand in hand with print. I do not agree with the "FREE" comics you mention. As someone who does created work for money, I see how it undermines the creative teams ability to actually make money or even the comic shop when people feel entitled to something for free and go to where they can get it that way. I don't read those either. Another thing about digital comics, is that it is still in its infancy. Sure I posted that video by Mcloud and they have been around for a while. but, now that they are getting notice, they are beginning to change shape. Pacing is looked at different because of how the product is delivered. Some have soundtracks. some have moving backgrounds or are damn near an animated film. I think creatively we will see a convergance of ideas with comics, gaming and animation where either the tools or storytelling technique will bleed over and change the experiences we have. I can't say I agree with you here Mike. As long as someone is willing to slap a comic on a website or a pdf and let me see it for free, I don't feel compelled to go out and buy them. Is it right? Maybe not. But does it happen? All the damn time. Look at my music at the bottom of this page. I have over 300 songs there in 2 different playlists. All of them absolutely free. Was it legal? Well, it's a pretty big site and I've gotten tons of music off it for free. I'm not gonna complain. Would I go out and buy these songs now? Absolutely not. I already got them for free. It's the same with digital comics. If some people put the big ones up for free somewhere, I'm not going to pay for it nor do I expect everyone else to pay for it either. Wasn't it you who linked Walking Dead #1 here? You saved me the cost of ever wanting to buy it. Thanks for that. Now what would be the point of me paying $2 for it when you already showed it to me for free? As for the experience, I'm not looking for moving backgrounds, voiceovers or animations. To me, that's getting too far out of the realm of comics and closer to animation. The great thing about comics is all the voices are imagined. I don't hear music playing when I read comics. It's my own visual and the audios are all mine. To put voices, background music and animations up, would almost ruin what my mental thoughts and sounds are about the character(s). This happens all the time to me when I see comic cartoons. The voices suck and the characters are cheesed down. In my mind, what I hear and vision sounds more real and adult. I don't want someone else's interpretation. It'll probably suck compared to the way I hear it in my mind's eye. The problem with digital comics isn't that it's expanding on it's infancy and discovering realms it didn't even think was possible not long ago, the problem is it's stepping away from actual comics and it's blurring the lines of what comics really are. It's stepping too far away from that. I understand digital comics are here to stay and if it's an alternative that works for you, more power man. But I'm not interested in the innovations of digital comics. I still prefer the paper printed ones over anything showing up on my computer screen. I would be more excited about your comic art if it was a printed as an actual comic 10 times more than seeing your art online. I've already seen your art online. Make it into a webcomic only put it all in one spot for me. It still far more exciting to see it in my hands than to see your images online. I could just as easily make a web comic as you can. To me, you haven't done it until your book is printed. To have one printed, typically means someone invested in making it the real deal. Online is a bit like copping out. Its like saying I did it when I really haven't.
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