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Post by G on Sept 7, 2012 9:48:44 GMT -5
I thought I would put the word out that I'm having a fire sale. 2012 has been the worst year of my life by far and I've fallen on some seriously bad times. Times are getting desperate so I'm resorting to doing the dreaded....gotta sell some comics to make ends meet.....kind of sale that you hate to do. Honestly, in the big scheme of things, if I lose some comics but keep myself afloat, its worth it. Live to fight another today and come back even stronger down the road I always say. I've been down this path before. In the mid 90's I actually supported myself completely for 2 months by selling comics. Paid all my bills, ate all my food, and paid for all my entertainment and surpluses. It was a means to an end. Sometimes I save comics for rainy days like this. Sure, I'd rather wait until a day when I can sell them on my terms, but I guess at this point, I'm thankful I just have something I can try and sell. I'm starting off by getting rid of all my Valiantfan.com signature series fan books. I'm also throwing in a lot of my CGC comics. Just so everyone doesn't think I'm gouging, I'm rolling the dice and letting fate decide what they bring in. I'm starting every auction at 1 penny with no reserve! Whatever it makes, that's what it makes and I'll just be thankful for it. I'll be putting more up in the next day or two so check back on it. I'm making one quick run at it and seeing what happens. And will decide later whether to make a 2nd run. But I can say, I will be putting up a lot more of my CGC books all starting at a penny, in the next 24-48 hrs after I post this. Take a look and see if there is something you might want. And thanks for doing that in advance and sorry I haven't been around lately. Thumbs Up Click the linky below.... www.ebay.com/sch/chamberofcomix/m.html?item=150893721938&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&rt=nc&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649&_trksid=p4340.l2562
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Post by defiant1 on Sept 7, 2012 10:02:50 GMT -5
Good Luck.
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Post by UDog™ on Sept 7, 2012 13:26:45 GMT -5
I'm sorry you have to sell your books G.
Why start the auction at 1 penny ? Why not at a $1 or two?
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Post by G on Sept 7, 2012 14:12:45 GMT -5
I'm sorry you have to sell your books G. Why start the auction at 1 penny ? Why not at a $1 or two? It's all good. Just learning to roll with it the best I can. Bids have a tendency to attract bids. I've done this before and it has worked out well. It seems when I start at a few dollars, it takes until nearly the end of the auction for anyone to start pulling the trigger. So when people are looking at stuff, they just skim right by it. Seems when I start at a penny, people start getting in on it right away hoping they can get in low and people will let it slip through the cracks and not be there for it at the end. You get some early bids going at a low price and then you have bids listed on your sale. When you see a bunch of auctions one after another, those bids have a way of attracting your attention and making you look. Its hard to believe, but as I write this, I have 19 auctions going and only $51 in total bids so far. But those bids total 91 bids. Its hard to believe, but I have one auction with 19 bids and it's only up to $5.00 as I write this. I have another auction with 11 bids and it's only up to $1.01. Now, neither one of those are anything to write home about. But lets say I had started it at a dollar. It might look something like this.... Auction 1 ........ 2 bids ........ $1.01Auction 2 ........ 4 bids ........ $5.00Well, that would be better than nothing. But it tends to attract more attention when you look at auctions and see this.... Auction 1 ........ 11 bids ........ $1.01Auction 2 ........ 19 bids ........ $5.00In reality, I'm making the same amount of money at this point. But the 1st set of auctions look kind of ho-hum.....another auction. Whereas the 2nd set of auctions with all those bids seem to cry "What are all these people looking at?" Those higher bid numbers seem to attract more people to it. Conversely. The 1st set of bids might be how I look with a day or so left to go. The second set of bids are where I am now with 5 and 6 days left to go. More bids equals more attractions which hopefully equals even more bids down the road. Its just a hive mentality really. People tend to look at what other people are looking at. Also on my ebay, it is telling me I have a total of 85 people watching my auctions. Meaning, they have set a reminder for themselves to keep looking at it. Especially at the end. I'm hoping most of those people will be there at the end and will consider putting in a bid towards the end of the show. Whereas, if I had started it at a higher price, I doubt I would have 1/4th - 1/2 the people watching it at this point. Less people there at the beginning = Less people there at the end. It's funny but when I used to do conventions many years ago. When you had your booth set up, one thing you didn't want was no one looking at your comics while other people were looking at comics at booths around you. It gave a feeling that you didn't have anything worth looking at. If I had friends with me when I did a show, anytime we got slow, we used to get up and go in front of the booth and look through the comics like we were posing as customers. The average customer doesn't know if you're the dealer or the customer. They just see people. That way it wouldn't look like no one was looking. Its amazing that when one or two people are looking at your books, a couple more people tend to come and look too. Whereas, if we just sat on our hands and sat behind the booth and no one was looking at your books and you did nothing, no one seemed to come up for long periods of time. You only had so long to make money. So, it's all just an illusion. You have to hopefully try and create interest even when there is none. Since I am desperate for money, I figure starting all my auctions at a penny, I'm hoping people will try and gamble and compete for a bargain at the end. It is better than starting high and having hardly no one at the show at the end. My experiences seems to go better when I start at a penny then when I start at higher prices. Even 99 cents or 1 dollar. I typically do better just starting at a penny.
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Post by defiant1 on Sept 7, 2012 14:31:49 GMT -5
I'm sorry you have to sell your books G. Why start the auction at 1 penny ? Why not at a $1 or two? There is a general consensus that a very low starting price pulls in prospective buyers and that more people are willing to follow the auction and ultimately place bids. It can go either way. At www.comicpriceguide.com there was a discussion that having a CGC (certified grade/encased) book can hurt the value of books that aren't at the top end of the grading scale. Some of their price formulas were showing CGC books being worth less than books that were not encased. The admins say that's a bug in the price calculation formulas that has not been weeded out. Everyone was pretty much in agreement that CGC books should not be worth less, but they'd rather buy un-professionally graded comic in hopes the book was in better condition than advertised. I was willing to look through the items and see if there is anything I don't mind owning if something doesn't sell. I don't buy on ebay, but I'd like to help out in some way. It looks like everything has a bid, so I suspect that will not be the case. The most interesting book in the lot for me appears to be the Iron Fist issue. Surely it is still at a penny because no one wants to tip off others bidders they are interested. I own a raw copy already. df1
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Post by G on Sept 7, 2012 14:57:17 GMT -5
I'm sorry you have to sell your books G. Why start the auction at 1 penny ? Why not at a $1 or two? There is a general consensus that a very low starting price pulls in prospective buyers and that more people are willing to follow the auction and ultimately place bids. It can go either way. At www.comicpriceguide.com there was a discussion that having a CGC (certified grade/encased) book can hurt the value of books that aren't at the top end of the grading scale. Some of their price formulas were showing CGC books being worth less than books that were not encased. The admins say that's a bug in the price calculation formulas that has not been weeded out. Everyone was pretty much in agreement that CGC books should not be worth less, but they'd rather buy un-professionally graded comic in hopes the book was in better condition than advertised. I was willing to look through the items and see if there is anything I don't mind owning if something doesn't sell. I don't buy on ebay, but I'd like to help out in some way. It looks like everything has a bid, so I suspect that will not be the case. The most interesting book in the lot for me appears to be the Iron Fist issue. Surely it is still at a penny because no one wants to tip off others bidders they are interested. I own a raw copy already. df1 I've seen whetteon's group over at Lyria kind of have the same argument. But it seems to come down to some people don't feel a book is worth having unless it is ultra high grade like 9.6 or above. I can see where a few of my books the grade is hurting me. For instance the Magnus #0 at 9.2. A book that new, people will want 9.4 and above. Still, when you look at the book, I can hardly see a flaw. Of course, I can't open the case and inspect what is wrong with it. But as it is, it's beautiful. I've personally never had a problem owning a 9.2 book or so so forth. I don't think its going to hurt me on some of my books like the Amazing Spiderman #136 or 135. Graded 8.5 and 6.5 respectively. Sure, it would be nice to have higher grade of the 6.5. It's still a solid copy and you know what you're getting up front. I think it will hopefully get a respectable number $30-$40. I'm hoping for even more on the 8.5 #136. Of course, I could be wrong. But that book is going on 40 years old. That 8.5 looks outstanding! It's a sweet copy. Sure wish I had a higher grade on it. But I'm hoping it brings in something as it is. I want to say the Iron Fist was given to me by Josh (Azbatx). I think we were trading and he had it. He wasn't into owning it and said I could have it if I wanted. Hell, I'm not going to turn down a free CGC book no matter what it is. Once again, its roughly 35 years old. You can be a comic snob and decide you only want the uber ultra high grade. Shit, that might put you back hundreds of dollars. Whereas an 8.0 is a VERY solid copy with no major flaws. Just slight signs of aging and minimal wear. All very slight. 8.0 is actually a nice copy. The difference is an 8.0 ain't going to put you back much at all whereas a 9.4 and above would about break you. I'd rather have solid reasonably priced copies with the thought that if I ever upgraded down the road, I would sell the lower graded one to help offset the cost of the higher priced one. To be honest, if I wasn't so bad off right now, this would be a great time to be buying. I'm actually selling at a terrible time. I'm seeing low prices on a lot of stuff. I'm a bit worried. That's another reason I started at a penny. I think if you give people the thought that they have a chance of getting a bargain, they might let emotion get them during final minute bids and bid themselves up more than they bargained for at the end during the excitement of last second bidding. I know I've been guilty of it before. It's a real wait and see mode. I have in mind how much money I'd like to try and raise. I have a lowest price I would be satisfied with (worst case scenario) to prepare myself in case things go poorly. But at this early stage, I'm encourage by the numbers I'm seeing watching, viewing and bidding on it so far. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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Post by defiant1 on Sept 7, 2012 16:14:19 GMT -5
There is a general consensus that a very low starting price pulls in prospective buyers and that more people are willing to follow the auction and ultimately place bids. It can go either way. At www.comicpriceguide.com there was a discussion that having a CGC (certified grade/encased) book can hurt the value of books that aren't at the top end of the grading scale. Some of their price formulas were showing CGC books being worth less than books that were not encased. The admins say that's a bug in the price calculation formulas that has not been weeded out. Everyone was pretty much in agreement that CGC books should not be worth less, but they'd rather buy un-professionally graded comic in hopes the book was in better condition than advertised. I was willing to look through the items and see if there is anything I don't mind owning if something doesn't sell. I don't buy on ebay, but I'd like to help out in some way. It looks like everything has a bid, so I suspect that will not be the case. The most interesting book in the lot for me appears to be the Iron Fist issue. Surely it is still at a penny because no one wants to tip off others bidders they are interested. I own a raw copy already. df1 I've seen whetteon's group over at Lyria kind of have the same argument. But it seems to come down to some people don't feel a book is worth having unless it is ultra high grade like 9.6 or above. I can see where a few of my books the grade is hurting me. For instance the Magnus #0 at 9.2. A book that new, people will want 9.4 and above. Still, when you look at the book, I can hardly see a flaw. Of course, I can't open the case and inspect what is wrong with it. But as it is, it's beautiful. I've personally never had a problem owning a 9.2 book or so so forth. I don't think its going to hurt me on some of my books like the Amazing Spiderman #136 or 135. Graded 8.5 and 6.5 respectively. Sure, it would be nice to have higher grade of the 6.5. It's still a solid copy and you know what you're getting up front. I think it will hopefully get a respectable number $30-$40. I'm hoping for even more on the 8.5 #136. Of course, I could be wrong. But that book is going on 40 years old. That 8.5 looks outstanding! It's a sweet copy. Sure wish I had a higher grade on it. But I'm hoping it brings in something as it is. I want to say the Iron Fist was given to me by Josh (Azbatx). I think we were trading and he had it. He wasn't into owning it and said I could have it if I wanted. Hell, I'm not going to turn down a free CGC book no matter what it is. Once again, its roughly 35 years old. You can be a comic snob and decide you only want the uber ultra high grade. Shit, that might put you back hundreds of dollars. Whereas an 8.0 is a VERY solid copy with no major flaws. Just slight signs of aging and minimal wear. All very slight. 8.0 is actually a nice copy. The difference is an 8.0 ain't going to put you back much at all whereas a 9.4 and above would about break you. I'd rather have solid reasonably priced copies with the thought that if I ever upgraded down the road, I would sell the lower graded one to help offset the cost of the higher priced one. To be honest, if I wasn't so bad off right now, this would be a great time to be buying. I'm actually selling at a terrible time. I'm seeing low prices on a lot of stuff. I'm a bit worried. That's another reason I started at a penny. I think if you give people the thought that they have a chance of getting a bargain, they might let emotion get them during final minute bids and bid themselves up more than they bargained for at the end during the excitement of last second bidding. I know I've been guilty of it before. It's a real wait and see mode. I have in mind how much money I'd like to try and raise. I have a lowest price I would be satisfied with (worst case scenario) to prepare myself in case things go poorly. But at this early stage, I'm encourage by the numbers I'm seeing watching, viewing and bidding on it so far. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. The market is what it is. I think modern collectors are grade snobs. It's not about owning the story, the history, the legacy anymore. It's about owning a perfect cover. I sent Hansi, The Girl who loved the Swastika comic off to the CGC and it came back 8.0. It's a beautiful copy. It was hand picked for condition off a spinner rack at a Christian book store in the 70's. If the grading standards are that strict in the comics hobby, the hobby can go fuck itself. If I was sitting with someone who had to have a 9.8 I would tell them to their face they are fucked in the head and they are one of the reasons I want out of the hobby. Once most of these comics are in the slab, it doesn't matter whether there are ANY interior flaws. You buy a hamburger to eat. If you aren't going to eat it, who cares what it tastes like? I honestly don't believe there are accurate differences between the grades. I've seen a 9.4 with spine creases. I wouldn't have graded it above a VF. My Armorines V2 #4 were the nicest copies this city got. They came back as 9.4's and 9.6's. I'm convinced the CGC freaked out with 4 or was it 5 copies rolling in on a submission at one time, so they lowballed me on grade. I bet that if Greg got his hands on one it'd come back 9.8 or 9.9 from his contacts there. Again, fuck you hobby. It's too easy for those guys to scam all the collectors. They self appoint themselves the authority in the hobby and then designate the guidelines that collectors should have. I'm crossing my fingers for you either way. I don't try to sell comics because it's a lot of work and I'm fed up with the snobs that don't appreciate simply owning the book. Everyone wants the best condition... so what. The real question is if you want the comic at all in reasonable shape. If people want to be a snob, I can be a snob by not selling to them or jacking up the price so their balls do feel a squeeze when they pay. df1
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Post by defiant1 on Sept 7, 2012 23:15:30 GMT -5
I'm sorry you have to sell your books G. Why start the auction at 1 penny ? Why not at a $1 or two? It's all good. Just learning to roll with it the best I can. Bids have a tendency to attract bids. I've done this before and it has worked out well. It seems when I start at a few dollars, it takes until nearly the end of the auction for anyone to start pulling the trigger. So when people are looking at stuff, they just skim right by it. Seems when I start at a penny, people start getting in on it right away hoping they can get in low and people will let it slip through the cracks and not be there for it at the end. You get some early bids going at a low price and then you have bids listed on your sale. When you see a bunch of auctions one after another, those bids have a way of attracting your attention and making you look. Its hard to believe, but as I write this, I have 19 auctions going and only $51 in total bids so far. But those bids total 91 bids. Its hard to believe, but I have one auction with 19 bids and it's only up to $5.00 as I write this. I have another auction with 11 bids and it's only up to $1.01. Now, neither one of those are anything to write home about. But lets say I had started it at a dollar. It might look something like this.... Auction 1 ........ 2 bids ........ $1.01Auction 2 ........ 4 bids ........ $5.00Well, that would be better than nothing. But it tends to attract more attention when you look at auctions and see this.... Auction 1 ........ 11 bids ........ $1.01Auction 2 ........ 19 bids ........ $5.00In reality, I'm making the same amount of money at this point. But the 1st set of auctions look kind of ho-hum.....another auction. Whereas the 2nd set of auctions with all those bids seem to cry "What are all these people looking at?" Those higher bid numbers seem to attract more people to it. Conversely. The 1st set of bids might be how I look with a day or so left to go. The second set of bids are where I am now with 5 and 6 days left to go. More bids equals more attractions which hopefully equals even more bids down the road. Its just a hive mentality really. People tend to look at what other people are looking at. Also on my ebay, it is telling me I have a total of 85 people watching my auctions. Meaning, they have set a reminder for themselves to keep looking at it. Especially at the end. I'm hoping most of those people will be there at the end and will consider putting in a bid towards the end of the show. Whereas, if I had started it at a higher price, I doubt I would have 1/4th - 1/2 the people watching it at this point. Less people there at the beginning = Less people there at the end. It's funny but when I used to do conventions many years ago. When you had your booth set up, one thing you didn't want was no one looking at your comics while other people were looking at comics at booths around you. It gave a feeling that you didn't have anything worth looking at. If I had friends with me when I did a show, anytime we got slow, we used to get up and go in front of the booth and look through the comics like we were posing as customers. The average customer doesn't know if you're the dealer or the customer. They just see people. That way it wouldn't look like no one was looking. Its amazing that when one or two people are looking at your books, a couple more people tend to come and look too. Whereas, if we just sat on our hands and sat behind the booth and no one was looking at your books and you did nothing, no one seemed to come up for long periods of time. You only had so long to make money. So, it's all just an illusion. You have to hopefully try and create interest even when there is none. Since I am desperate for money, I figure starting all my auctions at a penny, I'm hoping people will try and gamble and compete for a bargain at the end. It is better than starting high and having hardly no one at the show at the end. My experiences seems to go better when I start at a penny then when I start at higher prices. Even 99 cents or 1 dollar. I typically do better just starting at a penny. I missed this post because I was giving my reply around the same time. Everything you described is marketing. You grasp the concept that psychology has everything to do with whether you are able to sell something. You can sell cow shit if you call it fertilizer. And yes, if you have nobody looking at your comics, it sends out the impression to others that there must not be anything interesting at your table. I used to put one of my X-Men #1's up with a jacked up price. Just having a silver age key up on the display board would attract customers. They'd sometimes buy some cheap piece of crap comic because they felt guilty for talking to me about the X-men #1 and not buying anything. They'd start to walk away and then say "Oh, I guess I can get this for my kid. It's only a dollar." The most annoying experience I had was a customer buying a new $3.99 comic book for cover price. The lady goes around the corner and Earl Shaw had one for $1. The comic had only been out a week. I consider Earl to be a good guy, but that annoyed. me. I didn't argue. I just gave her the money back. At the same show, I had a speculator book priced for $10. They cost me a buck or less each. The guy who ran the show accused me of trying to sell too cheap and make the other dealers look bad. In retrospect, I know the show owner was pissed that another dealer let me use the tables he'd bought. The show owner was probably setting me up the whole time as an excuse to not let me come back. I was also well stocked in the hot books that the show owner would've liked to have had on his display board. On a plus side, I traded and early Mad comic book for a full set of the Psychoanalysis series (EC). I'd been wanting those for a long time and having the Mad (#9 I think) didn't excite me. df1
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Post by G on Sept 7, 2012 23:25:44 GMT -5
Just finished putting the rest of my CGC's up there. Well, I have a couple left. 2 that were practically worthless and my Charlton comic which was actually the 2nd Charlton Comic ever made. A Zoo Funnies #2 in 9.2. I didn't want to put that one up.
I didn't feel much putting the Valiant books up. I would have preferred a better time with them. I always wondered if I could hold onto them long enough to say maybe wait until they maybe years from now finally made it to a point they had a movie coming out and ready to be hyped up. I wonder what they would be like then? I would think it could be a hot item. As of now, I'm unsure how well they are going to do. Part of me is melancholy about them. Doesn't affect me much. Valiant Freaks have made me lose a lot of appreciation for Valiant over the years.
The CGC books were a lot more bittersweet. A few years back I had actually wanted to grow my collection of CGC's. There was a point I was starting to do well and I was going to start collection nice CGC books. As discussed before, I didn't need 9.6's and up to be happy although if I could get them, I would have been okay. Sure. But I'm quite happy with books in the 8.0 - 9.4 range. And old books (pre-1980) in a 6.0 - 8.5 range. It's all about perspective. I think comic grade snobs do ruin the hobby for a lot of people. But I also think there are a lot of people out there that feel the same way we do about taking something less as long as it looks nice.
For me, it was always about "Eye Appeal". If a book looks nice to my eyes, that's all that counts. I take age and rarity and history and significance into account to. I know what's up. I know a rage book from a nice copy. It doesn't always have to be ultra high grade unless we're dealing with books from this century. Even then I might be apt to take a book in the 9.0 - 9.4 range if it met my criteria for price, eye appeal and how hard or expensive to be to own otherwise. The market is what you want it to be. I had been leaning towards collecting instead of being a reader. Modern comics had turned me off. I wanted to collect.
That's why its a bit bittersweet to sell those CGC's. They appeal to the collector in me and they are a bit harder to let go. I almost feel my resolve for wanting to come back strictly for collecting purposed welling up in me. Like dammit. I'll be back one day!!! It's hard to let these go. At least some of them. But, it's all about priorities right now. It's a means to hopefully buy me some more time. If it gets me to the other side and I work my way back up to one day be collecting again, I'll eventually look back to now as a minor setback and I've overcame.
As it is now. Yesterday and today I feel the hit a little bit. But I'm thinking more of the reward than the loss.
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Post by defiant1 on Sept 8, 2012 4:53:31 GMT -5
Just finished putting the rest of my CGC's up there. Well, I have a couple left. 2 that were practically worthless and my Charlton comic which was actually the 2nd Charlton Comic ever made. A Zoo Funnies #2 in 9.2. I didn't want to put that one up. I didn't feel much putting the Valiant books up. I would have preferred a better time with them. I always wondered if I could hold onto them long enough to say maybe wait until they maybe years from now finally made it to a point they had a movie coming out and ready to be hyped up. I wonder what they would be like then? I would think it could be a hot item. As of now, I'm unsure how well they are going to do. Part of me is melancholy about them. Doesn't affect me much. Valiant Freaks have made me lose a lot of appreciation for Valiant over the years. The CGC books were a lot more bittersweet. A few years back I had actually wanted to grow my collection of CGC's. There was a point I was starting to do well and I was going to start collection nice CGC books. As discussed before, I didn't need 9.6's and up to be happy although if I could get them, I would have been okay. Sure. But I'm quite happy with books in the 8.0 - 9.4 range. And old books (pre-1980) in a 6.0 - 8.5 range. It's all about perspective. I think comic grade snobs do ruin the hobby for a lot of people. But I also think there are a lot of people out there that feel the same way we do about taking something less as long as it looks nice. For me, it was always about "Eye Appeal". If a book looks nice to my eyes, that's all that counts. I take age and rarity and history and significance into account to. I know what's up. I know a rage book from a nice copy. It doesn't always have to be ultra high grade unless we're dealing with books from this century. Even then I might be apt to take a book in the 9.0 - 9.4 range if it met my criteria for price, eye appeal and how hard or expensive to be to own otherwise. The market is what you want it to be. I had been leaning towards collecting instead of being a reader. Modern comics had turned me off. I wanted to collect. That's why its a bit bittersweet to sell those CGC's. They appeal to the collector in me and they are a bit harder to let go. I almost feel my resolve for wanting to come back strictly for collecting purposed welling up in me. Like dammit. I'll be back one day!!! It's hard to let these go. At least some of them. But, it's all about priorities right now. It's a means to hopefully buy me some more time. If it gets me to the other side and I work my way back up to one day be collecting again, I'll eventually look back to now as a minor setback and I've overcame. As it is now. Yesterday and today I feel the hit a little bit. But I'm thinking more of the reward than the loss. If I was bidding, I'd only bid in the final seconds anyway. Why tip off people that you are interested at all? Lay it all out in the final seconds and don't give them time to counter your bid. Don't feel bad about Zoo Funnies #2. It's a cool book, but I've seen dozens in the exact same grade or better. It looks to be extremely common as if there was a warehouse find or something. Eye appeal is everything, and I'm not talking crisp corners. I'm talking spine creases and tears. The first thing I did when I got my Amazing Fantasy #15 was to sit down and read it. I know the story, but I wanted to see it exactly like someone did in the 60's. Years later I was in a discussion about slabbed books and someone says "well, you aren't going to open and read Amazing Fantasy #15 if you get it." I said "Yes I will and I did." I'm more concerned that you solve the problem that's making you sell the books. Be diligent. This is only buying you time. df1
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