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Post by G on Aug 21, 2013 16:17:07 GMT -5
I know I could probably research this and figure it out, but I'm being lazy. I was scanning more books for my next auction and was scanning a Walter Lantz Andy Pandy #23. This book has a 35 cent cover and comes from 1978. I thought it was kind of late for a Gold Key. I remember they eventually morphed in Whitmans and I thought it was around this time. I know there are quite a few 30 cent Gold Keys, but it seemed a bit weird looking at a 35 cent Gold Key.
Just running through my mind as I'm working on auctions, so I thought I would post it.
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Post by defiant1 on Aug 21, 2013 16:33:00 GMT -5
I know I could probably research this and figure it out, but I'm being lazy. I was scanning more books for my next auction and was scanning a Walter Lantz Andy Pandy #23. This book has a 35 cent cover and comes from 1978. I thought it was kind of late for a Gold Key. I remember they eventually morphed in Whitmans and I thought it was around this time. I know there are quite a few 30 cent Gold Keys, but it seemed a bit weird looking at a 35 cent Gold Key. Just running through my mind as I'm working on auctions, so I thought I would post it. Being a Marvel zombie at the time, I can't answer that. Don't know. df1
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Post by G on Aug 21, 2013 17:14:35 GMT -5
Just passed a Buck Rogers with a 40 cent cover, so I guess I'm around 1979 now.
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Post by defiant1 on Aug 21, 2013 18:31:23 GMT -5
Just passed a Buck Rogers with a 40 cent cover, so I guess I'm around 1979 now. I have the movie adaption issues. I think it survived beyond those by maybe 6 months. Not sure. df1
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Post by G on Aug 21, 2013 22:28:02 GMT -5
According to Wikipedia, they continued to release comics until 1981. They mentioned Buck Rogers as one of the last licensed titles they had, saying Charlton got a lot of their licenses during the late 60s and early 70s and Marvel got their Star Trek line during the late 70s.
They started using Whitmans in places where comics werent typically sold like airports and department stores, often in 3 packs. This started during the mid 70s and became their only comic output after 1981. They stopped comics altogether in 1984.
I would think Gold Key comics after about 1979 or so to be kinda rare. And Whitmans from about 1983 afterwards to also be rare.
I have a list of the rarest Whitmans in another thread. From time to time I used to carry the list with me to shows and look for them when I happened upon late Whitmans by accident. The titles were so overlooked by most collectors that some of the rarest ones could often be found in undesirable bargain bins because they were typically titles no one wanted.
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Post by defiant1 on Aug 22, 2013 17:27:56 GMT -5
According to Wikipedia, they continued to release comics until 1981. They mentioned Buck Rogers as one of the last licensed titles they had, saying Charlton got a lot of their licenses during the late 60s and early 70s and Marvel got their Star Trek line during the late 70s. They started using Whitmans in places where comics werent typically sold like airports and department stores, often in 3 packs. This started during the mid 70s and became their only comic output after 1981. They stopped comics altogether in 1984. I would think Gold Key comics after about 1979 or so to be kinda rare. And Whitmans from about 1983 afterwards to also be rare. I have a list of the rarest Whitmans in another thread. From time to time I used to carry the list with me to shows and look for them when I happened upon late Whitmans by accident. The titles were so overlooked by most collectors that some of the rarest ones could often be found in undesirable bargain bins because they were typically titles no one wanted. Interesting stuff, but I decided a long time ago that it would never be my collecting focus. df1
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Post by G on Aug 22, 2013 17:46:41 GMT -5
According to Wikipedia, they continued to release comics until 1981. They mentioned Buck Rogers as one of the last licensed titles they had, saying Charlton got a lot of their licenses during the late 60s and early 70s and Marvel got their Star Trek line during the late 70s. They started using Whitmans in places where comics werent typically sold like airports and department stores, often in 3 packs. This started during the mid 70s and became their only comic output after 1981. They stopped comics altogether in 1984. I would think Gold Key comics after about 1979 or so to be kinda rare. And Whitmans from about 1983 afterwards to also be rare. I have a list of the rarest Whitmans in another thread. From time to time I used to carry the list with me to shows and look for them when I happened upon late Whitmans by accident. The titles were so overlooked by most collectors that some of the rarest ones could often be found in undesirable bargain bins because they were typically titles no one wanted. Interesting stuff, but I decided a long time ago that it would never be my collecting focus. df1 It's certainly never been a collecting focus for me at ANY point in my comic collecting career either, but over the years I have picked up a small smattering of Gold Key books here and there. While overall, I don't really care for them for the most part, I have appreciated some of their better crafted than most comics, painted covers. Unfortunately, most of those weren't enough to lure me into buying because the characters typically didn't look that interesting and the combo of the two made great covers for bland characters. My other applause to Gold Key is I've always liked their Logo. I don't know why. Just have. Til this day, I still think it is simple and sweet. I got into Whitmans more out of picking up higher grade Cartoon Character Comics to expand my horizons. Overall, I never have been one to want to read funny books or care about them, but the more I have the more I appreciated them. The rare ones interest me because the majority of the comic collecting public wouldn't know a rare one if they seen it (including me). Since funny books are typically shunned by collectors, lots of times rare issues sit in boxes overlooked and seen as undesirable but in a lot of cases some of these issues only have 50 - 250 issues in existence and certainly people will see one and flip right over it. I mean who's going to know the rare Little Lulu when they see it? That might be the most famous one, but even still most people would never know what it was even if it was in front of them. The other rare ones, even moreso. It's never a focus to buy any of this stuff, but rarely I would take the rare list with me and if I happened upon the stuff, I would look for the rare numbers. Often the surrounding issues are quite scarce themselves. If I find them in nice shape from 25 cents to 1 dollar, I'm gonna pick them up. But otherwise, I don't really care about the genre. It's more of an odd side quest that hits ONLY when you happen upon them and NEVER by going in search of the Quest.
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Post by defiant1 on Aug 22, 2013 18:13:27 GMT -5
Interesting stuff, but I decided a long time ago that it would never be my collecting focus. df1 It's certainly never been a collecting focus for me at ANY point in my comic collecting career either, but over the years I have picked up a small smattering of Gold Key books here and there. While overall, I don't really care for them for the most part, I have appreciated some of their better crafted than most comics, painted covers. Unfortunately, most of those weren't enough to lure me into buying because the characters typically didn't look that interesting and the combo of the two made great covers for bland characters. My other applause to Gold Key is I've always liked their Logo. I don't know why. Just have. Til this day, I still think it is simple and sweet. I got into Whitmans more out of picking up higher grade Cartoon Character Comics to expand my horizons. Overall, I never have been one to want to read funny books or care about them, but the more I have the more I appreciated them. The rare ones interest me because the majority of the comic collecting public wouldn't know a rare one if they seen it (including me). Since funny books are typically shunned by collectors, lots of times rare issues sit in boxes overlooked and seen as undesirable but in a lot of cases some of these issues only have 50 - 250 issues in existence and certainly people will see one and flip right over it. I mean who's going to know the rare Little Lulu when they see it? That might be the most famous one, but even still most people would never know what it was even if it was in front of them. The other rare ones, even moreso. It's never a focus to buy any of this stuff, but rarely I would take the rare list with me and if I happened upon the stuff, I would look for the rare numbers. Often the surrounding issues are quite scarce themselves. If I find them in nice shape from 25 cents to 1 dollar, I'm gonna pick them up. But otherwise, I don't really care about the genre. It's more of an odd side quest that hits ONLY when you happen upon them and NEVER by going in search of the Quest. I bought Dr. Spektor when I thought Jim Shooter's Valiant was in negotiations to publish the character. I liked what I had read, but I wanted Jim's take on it within his Valiant universe. Scarcity for the later issues doesn't excite me so much when the reason they are scarce is because nobody cared and they weren't that interesting or good. I think we share the same appreciation. We grew up with them on the spinner racks and they balanced out the selection. A person may want creamer in their coffee, but that doesn't mean they just want to drink a cup of coffee creamer. Gold Key and Charlton helped justify why Marvel was the best. df1
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Post by G on Aug 23, 2013 0:06:44 GMT -5
It's certainly never been a collecting focus for me at ANY point in my comic collecting career either, but over the years I have picked up a small smattering of Gold Key books here and there. While overall, I don't really care for them for the most part, I have appreciated some of their better crafted than most comics, painted covers. Unfortunately, most of those weren't enough to lure me into buying because the characters typically didn't look that interesting and the combo of the two made great covers for bland characters. My other applause to Gold Key is I've always liked their Logo. I don't know why. Just have. Til this day, I still think it is simple and sweet. I got into Whitmans more out of picking up higher grade Cartoon Character Comics to expand my horizons. Overall, I never have been one to want to read funny books or care about them, but the more I have the more I appreciated them. The rare ones interest me because the majority of the comic collecting public wouldn't know a rare one if they seen it (including me). Since funny books are typically shunned by collectors, lots of times rare issues sit in boxes overlooked and seen as undesirable but in a lot of cases some of these issues only have 50 - 250 issues in existence and certainly people will see one and flip right over it. I mean who's going to know the rare Little Lulu when they see it? That might be the most famous one, but even still most people would never know what it was even if it was in front of them. The other rare ones, even moreso. It's never a focus to buy any of this stuff, but rarely I would take the rare list with me and if I happened upon the stuff, I would look for the rare numbers. Often the surrounding issues are quite scarce themselves. If I find them in nice shape from 25 cents to 1 dollar, I'm gonna pick them up. But otherwise, I don't really care about the genre. It's more of an odd side quest that hits ONLY when you happen upon them and NEVER by going in search of the Quest. I bought Dr. Spektor when I thought Jim Shooter's Valiant was in negotiations to publish the character. I liked what I had read, but I wanted Jim's take on it within his Valiant universe. Scarcity for the later issues doesn't excite me so much when the reason they are scarce is because nobody cared and they weren't that interesting or good. I think we share the same appreciation. We grew up with them on the spinner racks and they balanced out the selection. A person may want creamer in their coffee, but that doesn't mean they just want to drink a cup of coffee creamer. Gold Key and Charlton helped justify why Marvel was the best. df1 Often enough if a book is doing good and creates rarities, it becomes something uglier than a dying brand who puts out rarities because it is struggling to stay alive. My universally recognized "Good" comic that is rare will be hitting $1,000 by the end of next month on the going market. It's done priced me out of the picture. And in a way, it's kind of pissed me off slightly in the process because it made me feel "left out". The more common method of a dying company producing less because there is little demand actually almost creates a legacy out of a dying brand. Often said title struggles through the last 10 or so issues with each issue having a lower print run from the previous one. The proceeds aren't paying for the same amount next month and even less is made. Eventually, while no one is looking, that comic dies. No one cares. No one hardly even notices. Years pass. In some cases 2 or 3 decades. Suddenly nostalgia kicks in or a rebirth in the character brings interest back to the originals. Suddenly originals recognized as extremely hard to find. Print runs get researched and revealed. The print is extremely low. Suddenly prices go up because now people want that dead ass comic when they didn't 30 years ago. Suddenly people with same interests emerge and start scavenger hunting for these same lost relics that no one can seem to find. The joy of collecting is alive and the search for hidden treasure in the form of "most people have no idea what the hell they have in this stuff because they don't like it" and I can maybe luck out on people's indifference to it and they happen to own a few. Person with knowledge happens into comic boxes with other "considered junk" comics totally surrounding and dominating boxes. No one reads or collects these things. Except you know better. You know you probably won't find, but stranger things have happen to a fool and his collection. Collection owner has a $1 price tag on a comic with only 100 known copies. The resale market for enthusiasts of the beaten down companies makes competition for the rare ones high. I know I'm not telling you anything, but sometimes good stuff comes from junk. I didn't need books I loved to be rare. I only needed to be able to read them. I get more of a thrill of the hunt finding books from dealers and collectors who have no clue what they have. When I bought Valiants 4-6 months before they exploded, it was because I had privileged knowledge no one else had. I bought tons of Valiants at cover price and wiped up for the next 1-2 years as I had already stockpiled what others had no clue about. In this day and age, that is really hard to do. The Valiant scenario supports your wanting it to be quality before pursuing the chase. For me the chase was making money and a side benefit resulted from discovering these were good and worth the hype. Your side wins here and I'm all in if that should ever happen again. I had a blast. But the real thrill is beating dealers at their own game. No one knows everything. Azbatx used to hand me legit books that would go for $20 - $100 sitting in $1 boxes because he knew something I and the dealer didn't. When I got his 1 leftover copy, I felt lucky to have it and would later sell for high multiples of the $1 I paid for it. When I have this mentality, I don't really care what the book is. Greed rules here I guess. That and a satisfaction of knowing I knew something about books most people didn't. That for me is the thrill of the hunt and I guess I'm not a real enthusiast because it doesn't bother me if someone reads them or not. If I can make a buck off them, count me in! At times it has been more fun for me to flip a comic for excellent profit, than to read comics I have 19 times out of 20, already way outgrown. I'd collect Cherry Tart Comics if I thought it would make me a few bucks in profit.
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Post by defiant1 on Aug 23, 2013 22:04:54 GMT -5
I bought Dr. Spektor when I thought Jim Shooter's Valiant was in negotiations to publish the character. I liked what I had read, but I wanted Jim's take on it within his Valiant universe. Scarcity for the later issues doesn't excite me so much when the reason they are scarce is because nobody cared and they weren't that interesting or good. I think we share the same appreciation. We grew up with them on the spinner racks and they balanced out the selection. A person may want creamer in their coffee, but that doesn't mean they just want to drink a cup of coffee creamer. Gold Key and Charlton helped justify why Marvel was the best. df1 Often enough if a book is doing good and creates rarities, it becomes something uglier than a dying brand who puts out rarities because it is struggling to stay alive. My universally recognized "Good" comic that is rare will be hitting $1,000 by the end of next month on the going market. It's done priced me out of the picture. And in a way, it's kind of pissed me off slightly in the process because it made me feel "left out". The more common method of a dying company producing less because there is little demand actually almost creates a legacy out of a dying brand. Often said title struggles through the last 10 or so issues with each issue having a lower print run from the previous one. The proceeds aren't paying for the same amount next month and even less is made. Eventually, while no one is looking, that comic dies. No one cares. No one hardly even notices. Years pass. In some cases 2 or 3 decades. Suddenly nostalgia kicks in or a rebirth in the character brings interest back to the originals. Suddenly originals recognized as extremely hard to find. Print runs get researched and revealed. The print is extremely low. Suddenly prices go up because now people want that dead ass comic when they didn't 30 years ago. Suddenly people with same interests emerge and start scavenger hunting for these same lost relics that no one can seem to find. The joy of collecting is alive and the search for hidden treasure in the form of "most people have no idea what the hell they have in this stuff because they don't like it" and I can maybe luck out on people's indifference to it and they happen to own a few. Person with knowledge happens into comic boxes with other "considered junk" comics totally surrounding and dominating boxes. No one reads or collects these things. Except you know better. You know you probably won't find, but stranger things have happen to a fool and his collection. Collection owner has a $1 price tag on a comic with only 100 known copies. The resale market for enthusiasts of the beaten down companies makes competition for the rare ones high. I know I'm not telling you anything, but sometimes good stuff comes from junk. I didn't need books I loved to be rare. I only needed to be able to read them. I get more of a thrill of the hunt finding books from dealers and collectors who have no clue what they have. When I bought Valiants 4-6 months before they exploded, it was because I had privileged knowledge no one else had. I bought tons of Valiants at cover price and wiped up for the next 1-2 years as I had already stockpiled what others had no clue about. In this day and age, that is really hard to do. The Valiant scenario supports your wanting it to be quality before pursuing the chase. For me the chase was making money and a side benefit resulted from discovering these were good and worth the hype. Your side wins here and I'm all in if that should ever happen again. I had a blast. But the real thrill is beating dealers at their own game. No one knows everything. Azbatx used to hand me legit books that would go for $20 - $100 sitting in $1 boxes because he knew something I and the dealer didn't. When I got his 1 leftover copy, I felt lucky to have it and would later sell for high multiples of the $1 I paid for it. When I have this mentality, I don't really care what the book is. Greed rules here I guess. That and a satisfaction of knowing I knew something about books most people didn't. That for me is the thrill of the hunt and I guess I'm not a real enthusiast because it doesn't bother me if someone reads them or not. If I can make a buck off them, count me in! At times it has been more fun for me to flip a comic for excellent profit, than to read comics I have 19 times out of 20, already way outgrown. I'd collect Cherry Tart Comics if I thought it would make me a few bucks in profit. It's not that dealers don't know what they have, they are just at the mercy of economics. There used to be a convention dealer in Atlanta that always had every rare variants at top dollar. One day he decides he likes selling comics more than his computer programming job. He quit his job and bought a store. At that point he had overhead and a full time responsibility. He put his rare variants on display and got two reactions. The first reaction was to piss off half his customers because the previous owner didn't try to get top dollar. The second reaction was that the people with fat wallets bought him out of all the rare stuff. Selling comics quit being a hobby at that point. It was work. He paid his rent and had no money or time to acquire more rare variants to replace the ones he sold. Cash flow went sour. He had inventory because he bought someone else's store. It wasn't selling because it was stuff his customers had picked over for years. They either already had the books or simply didn't want them. At this point retailers quit caring. They don't have time or resources to sell items one at a time on eBay. Paying someone else to sell for them would negate their profit. The books might be worth $20 to you because you are playing around with selling on the side. You have time to make connections and you don't have business overhead to pay every month. The bills you pay are bills you'd pay anyway. The owner starts to resent their inventory because it's not selling. When prices go up on a back issue, they figure it didn't sell last week at $5, why pull it out to mark it up to $7. If they mark it up to $7, someone will complain that the book had been $5 and that the owner is gouging them. Some retailers mark it up and piss off the customers. Some just wait until the customer thinks they are getting a bargain and let it sell that way. They are throwing money away, but it keeps the customer happy and they come back more often. It's hard to get customers to shop more if they feel like they are paying top dollar for everything. The dealer I was talking about quit giving his customers as good of a discount because he wasn't making enough money. That ran them off and he was struggling worse. He ended up giving up his house and living out of the back room at his store. When things got worse he started having long box sales. Buy a long box for $30 and fill it up with whatever back issues he had in the bin. I got a complete run of Green Hornet (Now Comics) that way. Eventually he was still left with dead inventory. The crap they couldn't pay you to take. My point is that placing orders, customer service, and maintaining the store is enough work alone. Spending hours going through back issues to squeeze every penny out of something can make it unsaleable at all if you are stuck running the store. Many store owner don't care that you got a deal. They just want money exchanged.
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