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Post by G on Sept 23, 2009 20:13:01 GMT -5
That's pretty much why I don't care about the wish to revamp Valiant or those days gone by again. It's really in the past. If it is worked on again, it will not have the same group of people, the same vibe, the same dedication.
I almost feel something that good has to come from an entirely different source. Different company, different characters, different creators all coming together under great direction for an exquisite moment in time when a group of people put out greatness almost because its a combination of everyone wants the same goal and all realize it has to be great or they won't survive.
I keep feeling like a collaborative effort like that hasn't been around since Valiant. And rather than want Valiant back, I feel like okay....what else can comics do??? And it's pretty much what pisses me off about comics. I know full good and well the talent and certainly the technology is out there to do something great. The problem to me is it seems the fanboys who grew up when Image started out have now become the owners and creators of today and don't understand or take it for granted that they know what makes comics great. And its seems the farther we get away from the great years of comics, the more clueless it becomes.
I just feel that flash is all there is concern for and a quick wow. Quality from a large scale or massive universe or project is almost non-existent because there is no one guiding them in one direction anymore. Its almost single comic chaos under one company umbrella. A good Crossovers wouldnt be enough. It needs to go deeper than that.
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Post by defiant1 on Sept 23, 2009 22:15:03 GMT -5
That's pretty much why I don't care about the wish to revamp Valiant or those days gone by again. It's really in the past. If it is worked on again, it will not have the same group of people, the same vibe, the same dedication. I almost feel something that good has to come from an entirely different source. Different company, different characters, different creators all coming together under great direction for an exquisite moment in time when a group of people put out greatness almost because its a combination of everyone wants the same goal and all realize it has to be great or they won't survive. I keep feeling like a collaborative effort like that hasn't been around since Valiant. And rather than want Valiant back, I feel like okay....what else can comics do??? And it's pretty much what pisses me off about comics. I know full good and well the talent and certainly the technology is out there to do something great. The problem to me is it seems the fanboys who grew up when Image started out have now become the owners and creators of today and don't understand or take it for granted that they know what makes comics great. And its seems the farther we get away from the great years of comics, the more clueless it becomes. I just feel that flash is all there is concern for and a quick wow. Quality from a large scale or massive universe or project is almost non-existent because there is no one guiding them in one direction anymore. Its almost single comic chaos under one company umbrella. A good Crossovers wouldnt be enough. It needs to go deeper than that. A made a post in response to Eric Larsen that I felt that Image dissolved a lot of the cohesiveness that endeared me towards comics. He'd been boasting about Image's accomplishments but I wanted to point out that's well and good, but some good things were lost by them achieving their accomplishments. I found it interesting on Starbrand's board that Image was going to try and do a project where all the heroes interact. I wondered if he took my post to heart because he never actually responded. Defiant1 |
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Post by G on Sept 24, 2009 10:27:12 GMT -5
A made a post in response to Eric Larsen that I felt that Image dissolved a lot of the cohesiveness that endeared me towards comics. He'd been boasting about Image's accomplishments but I wanted to point out that's well and good, but some good things were lost by them achieving their accomplishments. I found it interesting on Starbrand's board that Image was going to try and do a project where all the heroes interact. I wondered if he took my post to heart because he never actually responded. All throughout my history of collecting, anytime I ever badmouthed Image people always had a problem with it. I don't know why they get a free ride from criticism. I agree that when all Marvel's top guns jumped ship and created Image, it was a terrible change in the direction of comics. I'll be the 1st to say that Image has matured over the years and now I don't look at them with the same disdain I had for them back in their early years. But when they 1st started, I seen no substance to them and everyone gobbled it up like candy because they had what many perceived to be the hottest artists and they were creating their own style, which was basically a poster pose on every cover. I kind of wonder what it must have been like for the artists that were not part of the Image group back then. It almost looked like how it must have been not to be Tiger Woods in Golf. It was almost like anything they did was completely overshadowed by anything Image artists did. It was almost like the non-Image artists were left behind. Image was almost like a bad clique. And either you were in or you were out. And I also feel that was a major turning point in comics and not for the best. I think the standards of cohesive storytelling has taken a major drop since then. And with the fall of comics in the mid 90s, the near loss of fans in the late 90s and now print runs that would have canceled every title out there back in the early 90s being the norm today, I often feel like its time to get back to basics. If Image wants to create a cohesive universe with their original characters and work on continuity, that would be a step in the right direction in my opinion. I just don't think they'll actually pull it off for more than a passing phase. |
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Post by defiant1 on Sept 24, 2009 19:52:45 GMT -5
Nor do I. Since their loyal fans have never wanted cohesiveness, there is no reason to think that a project like this would do well on the short term.
I think Dark Horse is screwing up by not tossing out teasers.
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Post by swinescooter on Sept 26, 2009 11:43:41 GMT -5
I think Dark Horse is screwing up by not tossing out teasers. Does this have unrealistic expectations and hype? Will all the anticipation meet with letdown once it gets here? Sometimes I wonder how far along this project is. - I think in the early stages you could slip out creator names on what projects are coming out. What teams are on what projects. That in itself could drive a bit of a buzz.
- Perhaps some promo shots showing how they will look and maybe even how their costume would look.
- Maybe 1 or 2 posterized fanboy shots to have people going "It looks great" or "what are they thinking?".
This just seems like something that will take forever to get here and thats a buzzkill. It could have been so much better if they had been working on it behind the scenes and once announced, it would have been released in 3-4 more months. Waiting a year in this impatient world we live in with hardly a tease in the meantime kinda makes me wonder "Okay, what else is out there now?" |
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Post by defiant1 on Sept 26, 2009 19:14:59 GMT -5
I think Dark Horse is screwing up by not tossing out teasers. Does this have unrealistic expectations and hype? Will all the anticipation meet with letdown once it gets here? Sometimes I wonder how far along this project is. - I think in the early stages you could slip out creator names on what projects are coming out. What teams are on what projects. That in itself could drive a bit of a buzz.
- Perhaps some promo shots showing how they will look and maybe even how their costume would look.
- Maybe 1 or 2 posterized fanboy shots to have people going "It looks great" or "what are they thinking?".
This just seems like something that will take forever to get here and thats a buzzkill. It could have been so much better if they had been working on it behind the scenes and once announced, it would have been released in 3-4 more months. Waiting a year in this impatient world we live in with hardly a tease in the meantime kinda makes me wonder "Okay, what else is out there now?" I wasn't real thrilled about going to the comic shop regularly. I have to look at the boring crap they have to sell. The stuff has been picked over for years. I'm saving a lot of money by not going. Defiant1 |
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Post by G on Sept 26, 2009 21:54:19 GMT -5
When the time is right, Im going back to mail order for new books. I never bought a lot when I did do it. On average about $30 a month. And I got a ton more for $30 than I would have at the Local Comic store buying new books for $30. Plus no geeks or rank places to put up with either. And no trips to faraway places.
The rest of my comics collecting will be spent trying to obtain true collectibles from the past. Those moments will be brief appearances and comic shops and conventions. But few and far between.
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Post by defiant1 on Sept 27, 2009 6:42:32 GMT -5
When the time is right, Im going back to mail order for new books. I never bought a lot when I did do it. On average about $30 a month. And I got a ton more for $30 than I would have at the Local Comic store buying new books for $30. Plus no geeks or rank places to put up with either. And no trips to faraway places. The rest of my comics collecting will be spent trying to obtain true collectibles from the past. Those moments will be brief appearances and comic shops and conventions. But few and far between. I suggested amongst my friends a comic co-op. My friend has a place he can use as a business front. We could get together and just order what it takes to get the minimum order each month and buy everything at whatever wholesale cost we can get it it. Even though we discussed it, none of us were that interested even at wholesale cost. Defiant1 |
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Post by defiant1 on Sept 27, 2009 6:55:41 GMT -5
When the time is right, Im going back to mail order for new books. I never bought a lot when I did do it. On average about $30 a month. And I got a ton more for $30 than I would have at the Local Comic store buying new books for $30. Plus no geeks or rank places to put up with either. And no trips to faraway places. The rest of my comics collecting will be spent trying to obtain true collectibles from the past. Those moments will be brief appearances and comic shops and conventions. But few and far between. I'd never do mail order comics. I might make a special order occasionally for a back issue, but it's only because shops here have next to nothing interesting. Defiant1 |
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