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Post by defiant1 on Jan 28, 2014 18:38:37 GMT -5
The Peter David run on Hulk is one of my comic book comfort foods. Something I read at least once a year (along with the Giffen/DeMatteis JLI). Definitely enjoy a smarter Hulk. Was very disappointed by the John Byrne reboot back in the late 90's. It was as though the PAD run didn't happen. Hell, I was disappointed by some of the post-Pantheon era PAD Hulk for the savagery. I've heard some criticisms of the PAD run, and while many of them are valid (PAD was just writing a green Superman during the merged/Professor arc, for example) I still love it. Peter David is a competent writer, but the character he wrote is not Hulk. The motivations are different, the concept is different. He hijacked established characters so he could tell the stories he wanted to tell. I have a problem with that because I liked the Hulk as he was. This is situation where the writer shows no respect for established continuity and the character he was given to write. If Superman was given the mind of a brute for 2 years, I'm sure Superman fans would be disgusted. If Batman wore a bright yellow costume and became a social advocate for peace and love, I'm sure Batman fans would get tired of it over 2 years. For me it's great that Peter David rejuvenated Hulk's sales, but it wasn't Hulk. df1 |
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Post by AC on Jan 29, 2014 19:42:21 GMT -5
Peter David is a competent writer, but the character he wrote is not Hulk. The motivations are different, the concept is different. He hijacked established characters so he could tell the stories he wanted to tell. I have a problem with that because I liked the Hulk as he was. This is situation where the writer shows no respect for established continuity and the character he was given to write. If Superman was given the mind of a brute for 2 years, I'm sure Superman fans would be disgusted. If Batman wore a bright yellow costume and became a social advocate for peace and love, I'm sure Batman fans would get tired of it over 2 years. For me it's great that Peter David rejuvenated Hulk's sales, but it wasn't Hulk. df1 Agreed. His Hulk was a totally different animal than we'd been accustomed to. I'd heard time and time again that the "Professor" Hulk was just a green Superman, which I can totally see. That said, it served as a nice "gateway" for me to get into the Hulk character. On the Hulk subject, I also enjoyed the much maligned Bruce Jones run from about 10 years back. It was a bit more spy/fugitive-y, and was VERY un-Hulk, but made for an interesting time. Current Hulk... almost feels like a guest-star in his own book. He's something of an errand boy for S.H.I.E.L.D. and has to share his title with Maria Hill and Iron Man more often than not. Terrible. |
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Post by defiant1 on Jan 30, 2014 18:58:14 GMT -5
I'm so glad I don't read modern Marvel comics. Whenever I hear someone summarize the current plots I cringe.
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Post by G on Jan 30, 2014 22:57:38 GMT -5
It seems these day the more unlike the Hulk he is, the better. The original Herb Trimpe, Sal Buscema days the Hulk wad dumb, angry and kicked ass but also had a kind heart and wanted peace. Now hes smart, wears armor and seems like a sidekick in his own book even though the stories are supposed to be complex.
Heck this seems to be the way all Marvel Comics go. Take what was originally known and loved and working, take the character as far away as it originally was. Heck change color or sexualiry but make the character completely opposite of what it used to be. Be complex to the point of not knowing how to fit it in within the continuality of the universe. Have the lead character be more like a guest star .
Uh, My vote is still for dumb Hulk. He didnt need any armor.
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Post by AC on Jan 30, 2014 23:18:30 GMT -5
Uh, My vote is still for dumb Hulk. He didnt need any armor. Oh boy... the ARMOR. Jeez, between characters getting armor and eyepatches, the stylistic choice of Marvel NOW! are pretty silly. If there were ever a Marvel hero who did NOT need armor... it's the damned Hulk. I guess they had to figure out a way to make him look more like a SHIELD agent... it's not like there aren't enough of those in Marvel today. |
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Post by defiant1 on Jan 31, 2014 7:52:59 GMT -5
It's like the creators are obsessive-compulsive. They find one thing that they like and they have to copy it everywhere. When I heard about "Spider Island", I rolled my eyes. Then I hear people say "It's actually a really good story." From that point forward nothing they say has any credibility. If Hulk is wearing an armor, that's just as stupid.
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Post by AC on Jan 31, 2014 12:57:21 GMT -5
It's like the creators are obsessive-compulsive. They find one thing that they like and they have to copy it everywhere. When I heard about "Spider Island", I rolled my eyes. Then I hear people say "It's actually a really good story." From that point forward nothing they say has any credibility. If Hulk is wearing an armor, that's just as stupid. df1 Spider Island was a "cute" story... not necessarily good. Would have made a nice "What if...?" it further made Spider-Man a bit less special, which part of me thinks is Marvel's plan. They don't own the film rights... so the character doesn't get the special treatment of say, an Avengers book. Same has happened with Fantastic Four and the X-Titles... The X-Books were top of the industry (sales and notoriety-wise) until Marvel proactively began putting the Avengers over them and the Fantastic Four have floundered for decades at this point. |
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Post by defiant1 on Jan 31, 2014 20:12:17 GMT -5
It's like the creators are obsessive-compulsive. They find one thing that they like and they have to copy it everywhere. When I heard about "Spider Island", I rolled my eyes. Then I hear people say "It's actually a really good story." From that point forward nothing they say has any credibility. If Hulk is wearing an armor, that's just as stupid. df1 Spider Island was a "cute" story... not necessarily good. Would have made a nice "What if...?" it further made Spider-Man a bit less special, which part of me thinks is Marvel's plan. They don't own the film rights... so the character doesn't get the special treatment of say, an Avengers book. Same has happened with Fantastic Four and the X-Titles... The X-Books were top of the industry (sales and notoriety-wise) until Marvel proactively began putting the Avengers over them and the Fantastic Four have floundered for decades at this point. I agree that they've sabotaged the characters to get the rights back. I think that's stupid. They make money either way. They could be pushing comic sales since they need them. df1 |
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