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Post by G on Apr 5, 2010 21:40:25 GMT -5
Sometimes I'm not sure if I should marvel at Vertigo's accomplishments or write them off as a non-factor in comics. At times they seem to be breaking ground with an exciting new title and competing with the mainstream heroes for the comic dollars. I can remember times where some Vertigo titles were hotter than anything else. However, at other times, they seem to be just another niche line in a comic powerhouse (DC) and their flavor has worn thin and nobody really cares.
I'm never really sure if Vertigo is coming or going. There was a time I felt they were coming on strong. If I had to put a direction on them now, I'd have to say I don't feel a buzz coming from Vertigo and their lineup seems to be going.
Am I missing something here? Is there more Gold to be found here than meets the eye? Or is it really just like a lot of things. All smoke and mirrors and the only thing left at Vertigo is nostalgia.
I just want to know what others think who may have partook in their comics a lot more than I did. Did they make an impact on comics at all? Did anything change with Vertigo? Or did they just come at a time when everyone was getting sick of reading about silly heroes in tights? Did they accomplish getting the more mature reader, or did they have it and let it go?
You tell me....
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Post by bigw1966 on Apr 6, 2010 10:45:46 GMT -5
I am going to have to say that the Impact has been profound. And it continues to be so.
VERTIGO continually releases books that just stand apart from everything else, while at the same time they have changed the overall voice of comics.
If you look back to the 80's when WATCHMAN and DARK KNIGHT released, they were considered mature works in a field still considered juvinile.
But out of that creative fire was born the Vertigo line. Sure it was a good 10 years later, but what came from it has been a continual influance on comics as a whole.
Here are a couple of the early VERTIGO titles.
HELLBLAZER
SANDMAN
PREACHER
SHADE THE CHANGING MAN
SAGA OF THE SWAMP THING
These books on their own opened up a whole world of story telling in comics.
Then you have a few second gen titles like...
FABLES
JACK of FABLES
100 BULLETS
SCALPED
These titles have taken creative storytelling to new heights, and also given the comic world some really great talent in the process.
Like the MARVEL MAX line which came later, VERTIGO has allowed creators to explore themes and also the various tropes of comics as a whole including Superheroes.
I am only scratching the surface in regards to major books from the vertigo line.
In about a week, the film The LOSERS opens in theaters. This is a VERTIGO comic. this is not the first nor the last film that will be coming from this line.
In fact, all of the titles I have previously mentioned are under consideration for film or Cable TV series.
The newest VERTIGO series that is been generating buzz is AMERICAN VAMPIRE, which happens to be an original comic written by this guy by the name of Stephen King. You may have heard of him. This is the first comic ever actually written by him.
Vertigo is also bringing other major talents into its fold.
Maybe I will be doing a title through them one day.
Yes they have had an impact.
Yes they will be around for the long haul.
Yes, these are the perfect comics to use to introduce your woman into the wonderful world of the funnybook.
So, in my opinion, yes It has had an impact.
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Post by G on Apr 6, 2010 22:37:21 GMT -5
Here are a couple of the early VERTIGO titles. HELLBLAZER SANDMAN PREACHER SHADE THE CHANGING MAN SAGA OF THE SWAMP THING These books on their own opened up a whole world of story telling in comics. Then you have a few second gen titles like... FABLES JACK of FABLES 100 BULLETS SCALPED These titles have taken creative storytelling to new heights, and also given the comic world some really great talent in the process. Yes they have had an impact. Yes they will be around for the long haul. Yes, these are the perfect comics to use to introduce your woman into the wonderful world of the funnybook. So, in my opinion, yes It has had an impact. Don't think that I don't realize the vast titles Vertigo has spawned. I certainly realize it has had a lot of success for titles that appeal to a slightly off-center collectors crowd. At the time they started hitting it big, it seemed like a largely untapped market and I was and continue to be all for it. I think Vertigo has been a great thing for comics. It's almost like comics some adults continue to read when they may have *ahem*, grown out of reading superheroes. But in terms of where it is right this very moment, it doesn't seem very hot. In fact there is few circles I see Vertigo titles being discussed at all. It seemed 3-4 years ago, yeah...people talked about them. But it seems to be less enthusiasm towards them today. I haven't heard an upcoming or past buzz with these books in quite awhile. Is it a dry period? Used up? A Lull? Or is it really hotter than I'm thinking it is? I'll have to admit a time in my life where Vertigo was briefly appealing to me more than standard comics. But it was short lived because it almost felt like those dramatic key moments were fewer and farther in between, although the stories themselves were great, it was taking a bit of the fanboy out of me. I tend to resist just being a comic reader. I still have to have that thrill of collecting. And although Vertigo has its own collectibles to shoot for, it just didn't seem to be as many. But what it has is definitely worth not only, getting and owning and maybe even selling, but also for the most part, there have been a lot of titles worth reading. I'm just wondering if that is continuing to happen. So many times when I see them now, I just can't seem to buy into them unless I can be around for the 1st issue or so. They just don't seem to be titles you want to start reading around issue #29. Also the latest few batches I've seen just doesn't look that interesting. They kind of ride a slippery slope from being hot books all can relate to, to being comics only Emo's can appreciate. |
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Post by defiant1 on Apr 7, 2010 3:24:01 GMT -5
Sometimes I'm not sure if I should marvel at Vertigo's accomplishments or write them off as a non-factor in comics. At times they seem to be breaking ground with an exciting new title and competing with the mainstream heroes for the comic dollars. I can remember times where some Vertigo titles were hotter than anything else. However, at other times, they seem to be just another niche line in a comic powerhouse (DC) and their flavor has worn thin and nobody really cares. I'm never really sure if Vertigo is coming or going. There was a time I felt they were coming on strong. If I had to put a direction on them now, I'd have to say I don't feel a buzz coming from Vertigo and their lineup seems to be going. Am I missing something here? Is there more Gold to be found here than meets the eye? Or is it really just like a lot of things. All smoke and mirrors and the only thing left at Vertigo is nostalgia. I just want to know what others think who may have partook in their comics a lot more than I did. Did they make an impact on comics at all? Did anything change with Vertigo? Or did they just come at a time when everyone was getting sick of reading about silly heroes in tights? Did they accomplish getting the more mature reader, or did they have it and let it go? You tell me.... It's crap. I couldn't care less about Vertigo comics. df1 |
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Post by bigw1966 on Apr 7, 2010 8:46:04 GMT -5
I didn't make the assumption that you were asking from a collectors standpoint.
Probably not a lot of Interest other than Sandman and Preacher. And maybe Fables.
I enjoy many Vertigo titles. I have found that my interest has increased over the years as the quality of Superheroes has dimmed. But they are like anything, they have their ups and their downs.
In America, Hero comics will always have the upper hand with collectors. They are just more ingrained within the public conciousness due to the nature of the characters.
VERTIGO books to me are like really good films that last for a while but you will not be seeking out everything that they appear on.
does that make sense?
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Post by cyberstrike on Apr 7, 2010 9:05:05 GMT -5
Some Vertigo titles are classics and others are pure shit.
Classics:
Sandman
Preacher
The Human Target
Y, The Last Man on Earth
American Century
U.S.-Uncle Sam
User
Blood and Shadows
Saga of the Swamp Thing
V for Vendetta
Pure shit:
Anything written by Grant Morrison in this line but especially
Seaguy
The Filth
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Post by G on Apr 7, 2010 18:08:35 GMT -5
It's crap. I couldn't care less about Vertigo comics. While I appreciate your response and respect your feelings on it, I have to say I disagree. Certainly not all Vertigo titles were winners, but I don't feel like they were all crap either. But that's why there are so many comics for all of us to choose from because we all have our own likes and dislikes. |
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Post by G on Apr 7, 2010 19:55:05 GMT -5
I didn't make the assumption that you were asking from a collectors standpoint. Probably not a lot of Interest other than Sandman and Preacher. And maybe Fables. I enjoy many Vertigo titles. I have found that my interest has increased over the years as the quality of Superheroes has dimmed. But they are like anything, they have their ups and their downs. In America, Hero comics will always have the upper hand with collectors. They are just more ingrained within the public conciousness due to the nature of the characters. VERTIGO books to me are like really good films that last for a while but you will not be seeking out everything that they appear on. does that make sense? Yeah, that makes sense. Sorry I didn't make sense. You're really responding as I want, giving your honest opinion on them. The viewpoint of before from a collector's standpoint is strictly my own. I've always thought there are two type of comic buyers....collectors and readers. I think in terms of readership, Vertigo books for the most part are good and worthwhile reading with a few exceptions. In terms of collecting, not so much...with a few exceptions. If your a reader, there shouldn't be any concern for the collector. |
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Post by defiant1 on Apr 7, 2010 23:18:30 GMT -5
Some Vertigo titles are classics and others are pure shit. Classics: SandmanPreacherThe Human TargetY, The Last Man on EarthAmerican CenturyU.S.-Uncle SamUserBlood and ShadowsSaga of the Swamp ThingV for VendettaPure shit: Anything written by Grant Morrison in this line but especially SeaguyThe FilthNone of that interests me in the least. Quite often, Vertigo books will try to pass off sub-par art since it's for the discerning collector who takes pride in the fact he's moved beyond super-hero content. Give me a copy of Optic Nerve or Strangehaven over any Vertigo book. df1 |
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Post by bigw1966 on Apr 9, 2010 12:52:37 GMT -5
Unknown soldier is a superior book that Vertigo is putting out right now.
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