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Post by G on Apr 27, 2008 22:27:31 GMT -5
You know it's kind of funny he is being referred to as a troll. I dont know if you guys know this, but he was very briefly a member here back in like Sept. He was KingGeorgeVII. This was about the time Greg banished him from his boards and he also pissed some people off over at Lyria and he walked on them and he then came here and made a couple of posts. Now, I never hated the guy, I sometimes was annoyed with the same things everyone else was, but I always gave the guy the benefit of the doubt and when he wasnt fighting with people, he could post some worthwhile posts....just never seemed to be able to stay away from confrontations. Then out of the blue after he had made all of 9 posts over here he sent me some IM's about I needed a Troll Rule on here. I tried to say I would do what I needed to if and when I needed to, but he kept saying I didnt understand him and eventually said he could no longer post on my board because I didnt have a troll rule. I found it amazing that he felt this way after I had never done anything to him. So away he went and then he was back on Greg's board in no time and everyone acted like nothing happened. And I still dont think I have had any trolls or needed a troll rule but he went back to the board that gave him the boot. I really think a big reason he didnt want to post here was I didnt have the audience over here he was accustomed to having. Anyway....
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Post by cfs on Apr 27, 2008 23:52:13 GMT -5
You know it's kind of funny he is being referred to as a troll. I dont know if you guys know this, but he was very briefly a member here back in like Sept. He was KingGeorgeVII. This was about the time Greg banished him from his boards and he also pissed some people off over at Lyria and he walked on them and he then came here and made a couple of posts. Now, I never hated the guy, I sometimes was annoyed with the same things everyone else was, but I always gave the guy the benefit of the doubt and when he wasnt fighting with people, he could post some worthwhile posts....just never seemed to be able to stay away from confrontations. Then out of the blue after he had made all of 9 posts over here he sent me some IM's about I needed a Troll Rule on here. I tried to say I would do what I needed to if and when I needed to, but he kept saying I didnt understand him and eventually said he could no longer post on my board because I didnt have a troll rule. I found it amazing that he felt this way after I had never done anything to him. So away he went and then he was back on Greg's board in no time and everyone acted like nothing happened. And I still dont think I have had any trolls or needed a troll rule but he went back to the board that gave him the boot. I really think a big reason he didnt want to post here was I didnt have the audience over here he was accustomed to having. Anyway.... He was probably referring to me. That his way of saying he wants to stack the deck with aces so that if someone starts upping the ante he can roll out a trump card. I've never been really convinced that all the banned people over there were really banned. I'm conceited enough to think that about half of it was staged if not all. They have a board member over there that teaches (or taught) counter-terrorism. I think he's a bit of a moron, but he's been taught textbook psychology for the purpose of achieving his goals. I don't rattle off about all the email discussions we had, but I graded the guy on his integrity and character for about two years. He was a disrespectful a-hole from day one. I put up with it so long to see what his objective was, Eventually I flipped the switch and pissed him off so much that he left me alone. The member did a lot of sucking up. A lot of compliments. A lot of PR on my behalf to people I don't care to know and if I did care to know them, he's not my ambassador. My best guess through it all was that unseen individuals wanted peace in the camp over at the Valiant site. I was the squeeky wheel. I believe the ass kissing was done to coax me back into being a member of Greg's board. Several people tried asking me directly, and I refused flat out. Afterwards the indirect and very disrespectful psychology assault began. They tried to play off the fact that most people have a need to be accepted by a crowd. I don't. I care more about what is right, and far less about whether I'm winning a popularity contest. Several taccics were tried to make me feel as if I had something to gain by rejoining and something to lose by being... ahem... defiant. La la la... I didn't care. My board went from a hopping place of much activity to a dead zone. The a-hole kept being an a-hole, so I showed him that if nobody thinks my board is important enough to stay, there's no reason for it to exist. There's also no reason to be a resource site to all the comics they said they enjoyed so much.... yet more and more often NEVER discussed. As far as I'm concerned, there are too many self-serving jerks over there. I already have no respect for the owners of VEI. Since I'm not going to post private emails online, I won't be able to prove the points that created my attitude against. Nor can I pull up an old chat session where Taddeo and I discussed them. So my issues with them will remain personal. I can only say that they don't meet my standards for having integrity. Last but not least... the hypocrisy. If you whistle the tune they want you to sing... all is fine. If you have an opinion that differs.... you are a troublemaker. I wear the hat defiantly and proudly. defiant1
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Post by comickings on Apr 28, 2008 6:07:20 GMT -5
You know it's kind of funny he is being referred to as a troll. I dont know if you guys know this, but he was very briefly a member here back in like Sept. He was KingGeorgeVII. This was about the time Greg banished him from his boards and he also pissed some people off over at Lyria and he walked on them and he then came here and made a couple of posts. Now, I never hated the guy, I sometimes was annoyed with the same things everyone else was, but I always gave the guy the benefit of the doubt and when he wasnt fighting with people, he could post some worthwhile posts....just never seemed to be able to stay away from confrontations. Then out of the blue after he had made all of 9 posts over here he sent me some IM's about I needed a Troll Rule on here. I tried to say I would do what I needed to if and when I needed to, but he kept saying I didnt understand him and eventually said he could no longer post on my board because I didnt have a troll rule. I found it amazing that he felt this way after I had never done anything to him. So away he went and then he was back on Greg's board in no time and everyone acted like nothing happened. And I still dont think I have had any trolls or needed a troll rule but he went back to the board that gave him the boot. I really think a big reason he didnt want to post here was I didnt have the audience over here he was accustomed to having. Anyway.... He was probably referring to me. That his way of saying he wants to stack the deck with aces so that if someone starts upping the ante he can roll out a trump card. I've never been really convinced that all the banned people over there were really banned. I'm conceited enough to think that about half of it was staged if not all. They have a board member over there that teaches (or taught) counter-terrorism. I think he's a bit of a moron, but he's been taught textbook psychology for the purpose of achieving his goals. I don't rattle off about all the email discussions we had, but I graded the guy on his integrity and character for about two years. He was a disrespectful a-hole from day one. I put up with it so long to see what his objective was, Eventually I flipped the switch and pissed him off so much that he left me alone. The member did a lot of sucking up. A lot of compliments. A lot of PR on my behalf to people I don't care to know and if I did care to know them, he's not my ambassador. My best guess through it all was that unseen individuals wanted peace in the camp over at the Valiant site. I was the squeeky wheel. I believe the ass kissing was done to coax me back into being a member of Greg's board. Several people tried asking me directly, and I refused flat out. Afterwards the indirect and very disrespectful psychology assault began. They tried to play off the fact that most people have a need to be accepted by a crowd. I don't. I care more about what is right, and far less about whether I'm winning a popularity contest. Several taccics were tried to make me feel as if I had something to gain by rejoining and something to lose by being... ahem... defiant. La la la... I didn't care. My board went from a hopping place of much activity to a dead zone. The a-hole kept being an a-hole, so I showed him that if nobody thinks my board is important enough to stay, there's no reason for it to exist. There's also no reason to be a resource site to all the comics they said they enjoyed so much.... yet more and more often NEVER discussed. As far as I'm concerned, there are too many self-serving jerks over there. I already have no respect for the owners of VEI. Since I'm not going to post private emails online, I won't be able to prove the points that created my attitude against. Nor can I pull up an old chat session where Taddeo and I discussed them. So my issues with them will remain personal. I can only say that they don't meet my standards for having integrity. Last but not least... the hypocrisy. If you whistle the tune they want you to sing... all is fine. If you have an opinion that differs.... you are a troublemaker. I wear the hat defiantly and proudly. defiant1 Speakingof John Taddeo....whatever happened to him? Seemed like a nice guy,and was very active on the Valiant boards. I was away for a long time and I don't know if something on that site set him off and he left too. Too bad about his comic. I have to say I didn't think it would last very long. Too much gimmick stuff going with it. Just try and put out a good book and forget about the incentive hype. Anyway.. anubody know what's going on with him now?
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Post by cfs on Apr 28, 2008 6:28:31 GMT -5
He has written this real winner! www.superverse.com/CoedDorm/coed_book.pdfI'll be honest. I think the whole company was created to be a misdirection for the public so that he could be a stalkng horse bidder to drive up the sale price on two companies. I think it was also an ineffective foot in the door attempt to get noticed in Hollywood. Regardless of how nice John is, do you think Crossgen or Valiant would have sold for as much as it did if he was not in the running to acquire them? Most people who acheive a high profile do not mingle and cater to the fans as he did. They have more important things to do. I'm sure he's gone back to doing those more important things. cfs
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Post by jedimarley on Apr 28, 2008 6:32:39 GMT -5
Last but not least... the hypocrisy. If you whistle the tune they want you to sing... all is fine. If you have an opinion that differs.... you are a troublemaker. I wear the hat defiantly and proudly. That is so true. Those that read the Vf board regularly know that I'm troublemaker #1 when it comes to VEI. I've spoken out against them on numerous occasions. Most recently their treatment of Layton and Leeke. And other events. They can't boot me from the site because of the reputation I have over there. But I have been asked to "Leave". Support VEI no matter what shit they put out. Support VEI no matter who's back they stab along the way. Support VEI no matter how bad the fuck up Shooter original vision of VALIANT. Yeah, right. Fall in line, or get out.
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Post by comickings on Apr 28, 2008 7:03:53 GMT -5
He has written this real winner! www.superverse.com/CoedDorm/coed_book.pdfI'll be honest. I think the whole company was created to be a misdirection for the public so that he could be a stalkng horse bidder to drive up the sale price on two companies. I think it was also an ineffective foot in the door attempt to get noticed in Hollywood. Regardless of how nice John is, do you think Crossgen or Valiant would have sold for as much as it did if he was not in the running to acquire them? Most people who acheive a high profile do not mingle and cater to the fans as he did. They have more important things to do. I'm sure he's gone back to doing those more important things. cfs Ok,I stopped after the guy was going to show his crabs. Thanks. A nice guy maybe.A smart businessman....No.
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Post by comickings on Apr 28, 2008 7:08:48 GMT -5
Last but not least... the hypocrisy. If you whistle the tune they want you to sing... all is fine. If you have an opinion that differs.... you are a troublemaker. I wear the hat defiantly and proudly. That is so true. Those that read the Vf board regularly know that I'm troublemaker #1 when it comes to VEI. I've spoken out against them on numerous occasions. Most recently their treatment of Layton and Leeke. And other events. They can't boot me from the site because of the reputation I have over there. But I have been asked to "Leave". Support VEI no matter what shit they put out. Support VEI no matter who's back they stab along the way. Support VEI no matter how bad the fuck up Shooter original vision of VALIANT. Yeah, right. Fall in line, or get out. What the hell has happened over there? Did Greg just say the hell with it,and let ZWH take charge? To me that's what it looks like. Things change I guess. I really felt like a part of that site a few years ago. These days,I don't even know why I post there.
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Post by G on Apr 28, 2008 7:54:38 GMT -5
Last but not least... the hypocrisy. If you whistle the tune they want you to sing... all is fine. If you have an opinion that differs.... you are a troublemaker. I wear the hat defiantly and proudly. That is so true. Those that read the Vf board regularly know that I'm troublemaker #1 when it comes to VEI. I've spoken out against them on numerous occasions. Most recently their treatment of Layton and Leeke. And other events. They can't boot me from the site because of the reputation I have over there. But I have been asked to "Leave". Support VEI no matter what shit they put out. Support VEI no matter who's back they stab along the way. Support VEI no matter how bad the fuck up Shooter original vision of VALIANT. Yeah, right. Fall in line, or get out. Frank, Im really surprised by this post. I cannot believe YOU were asked to leave. Things must have changed after I left. I always thought you were a favorite over there. Im in shock.
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Post by cfs on Apr 28, 2008 8:21:50 GMT -5
Last but not least... the hypocrisy. If you whistle the tune they want you to sing... all is fine. If you have an opinion that differs.... you are a troublemaker. I wear the hat defiantly and proudly. That is so true. Those that read the Vf board regularly know that I'm troublemaker #1 when it comes to VEI. I've spoken out against them on numerous occasions. Most recently their treatment of Layton and Leeke. And other events. They can't boot me from the site because of the reputation I have over there. But I have been asked to "Leave". Support VEI no matter what shit they put out. Support VEI no matter who's back they stab along the way. Support VEI no matter how bad the fuck up Shooter original vision of VALIANT. Yeah, right. Fall in line, or get out. Greg is weary of booting anyone else because he thought that would make me go away and it didn't. I left on my own though. People that I had dealt with on good terms voted to boot me and I decided that board doesn't define what I liked about Valiant. cfs
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Post by cfs on Apr 28, 2008 8:28:26 GMT -5
That is so true. Those that read the Vf board regularly know that I'm troublemaker #1 when it comes to VEI. I've spoken out against them on numerous occasions. Most recently their treatment of Layton and Leeke. And other events. They can't boot me from the site because of the reputation I have over there. But I have been asked to "Leave". Support VEI no matter what shit they put out. Support VEI no matter who's back they stab along the way. Support VEI no matter how bad the fuck up Shooter original vision of VALIANT. Yeah, right. Fall in line, or get out. Frank, Im really surprised by this post. I cannot believe YOU were asked to leave. Things must have changed after I left. I always thought you were a favorite over there. Im in shock. I've had emails from other members that echo Jedimarley's comments. I don't go there often. Sometimes a search will take me there or my tracking scripts will show that someone visted my site from a link they've posted. I regularly look at referral sites to see what brought people to my sites. cfs
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