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Post by G on May 15, 2008 17:32:31 GMT -5
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Post by comickings on May 15, 2008 19:52:17 GMT -5
it's only $5K! You might have to put off your Charlotte trip! |
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Post by cfs on May 15, 2008 20:05:45 GMT -5
That's BS. A trading card insert is missing hence it is incomplete. That's like saying "Buy my mint copy of Hulk #181.... but it's missing the Marvel Value Stamp". Screw that.
How many owners of VF copies of comics would be happier with a qualified 9.8? "It's a Qualified 9.8 -- it has spine creases, but other than that it's perfect."
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Post by G on May 15, 2008 21:34:02 GMT -5
That's BS. A trading card insert is missing hence it is incomplete. That's like saying "Buy my mint copy of Hulk #181.... but it's missing the Marvel Value Stamp". Screw that. How many owners of VF copies of comics would be happier with a qualified 9.8? "It's a Qualified 9.8 -- it has spine creases, but other than that it's perfect." cfs Well, he actually has the trading card insert. Here it is...   So even that wasnt missing. He claims the card was loose and CGC will not grade it with the loose card so the highest it could get was a Qualified Grade because it is not attached to the book. But, its still included with it. I mean, even still, this is a cool find. I mean, Incredible Hulk #181 is from 1974. Its 96 years younger. If the Value Stamp is missing, you aint getting the original one with it and if you did, it doesnt matter. I can cut this one a lot more slack. It 130 years old. He is correct that Overstreet doesnt list higher than 6.0 because it is so uncommon. A 6.0 from back then is like a 9.2 - 9.4 today. A 9.4 even qualified with the actual "loose" piece included with it doesnt make it a true 9.4, but in reality when 6.0 is the normal High End...this is like a 9.8 by todays standards. You aint gonna find much to compete with this that is THIS old. |
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Post by cfs on May 16, 2008 2:13:13 GMT -5
Included or not... cool or not.... this book still has a serious defect. They are passing it off as high grade and using it's age as a forgiveness factor. This is exactly what annoys me about the CGC and professional grading. It is nothing more than a marketing tool to sell books. If this was a book from last week that had a card insert pulled loose, you would not consider it a NM book. You would immediately say "Hey, I gotta get a better copy." By ignoring defects on older books, it perpetuates the push to keep everyone paying top dollar for the highest grades.
Let's say the nicest known copy of a 50's book is Fine... I can assure you that everyone involved would find some way to try and call that Fine book a 9.4 so they can sell it for more.
I saw them give a perfectly beautiful book from the 70's an 8.0 but I've seen huge and obvious defects get a 9.4 when they are pedigree books. It would really water down the hobby if people found out the pedigree books aren't as nice as what the collectors expect these days.
I'm just tired of old books being graded to a different standard. Grade should not have anything to do with emotion. Either the defect is there or it isn't.
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Post by G on May 16, 2008 5:21:47 GMT -5
All your points are valid C and Im not going to disagree with them. But, I am going to take this book at face value at thinking Im not likely to see another comic this old in this kind of shape qualified or not anywhere else. If a page or coupon was ripped out, I dont think it even gets a 6.0...heck what would a coupon out be worth? I think it totally damages the desirability. But this is an insert. This is like buying a Previews and one of the Promo Cards fall out. I may be likely to pic the card up, open the book and put it back in and go big deal. Or, you have a perfect 9.4 book and the artist signs it. Now, I understand that defaced it, so the signature made it a Qualified 9.4. Me personally, Id rather not have the signature and hence not get the qualified. But, if the artist signed it, I dont feel like it is a glaring defect either. This is kind of my feeling on this book. If the card was totally gone, Id still think this was a nice piece of history. The fact the seller still has it adds more value to it because even though it is Qualified. He still has the missing piece that made it qualified. The only thing that makes it qualified is the promo card is not attached. If it was attached, I guess we'd say it would double the value? Im not sure. All I know is if you own it...you have the oldest 9.4 graded book in existence. Qualified or not. At this point, it would be a fact that it is the oldest 9.4 Qualified out there. Id whip it out and show it to people whenever possible.  |
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Post by cfs on May 16, 2008 9:30:19 GMT -5
All I'm saying is grade it what it is and quit trying to justify a NM grade for snobbish collectors. Yes, it is a nice book. That has nothing to do with the defect. Would you feel better if a cut out marvel stamp was retained and slipped inside the book to be with it? I wouldn't.
I'm not knocking the fact the book is really nice and old. I'm just tired of the grading companies picking and choosing what they want to candy coat.
Is this even a full comic, or just a magazine with a few comics in it?
It's nothing I'd collect, but it's nice seeing something that old still in nice condition.
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