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Post by cyberstrike on Jun 9, 2011 18:26:50 GMT -5
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Post by bigw1966 on Jun 13, 2011 11:12:56 GMT -5
The book didn't get the "Uncanny in the title until the new team first appeared from Claremont and Cockrum.
Amazing Spider-Man has been running longer.
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Post by G on Jun 13, 2011 14:33:50 GMT -5
Another mistake and recently better than usual. Marvel never seems to understand when they have something good going so they tool with it and fuck it up. They're going to shut down Uncanny but all these other half-assed spinoffs will survive. I just don't trust the people in charge of these outfits any more. They act like they learned how to run comic companies reading Wizard Magazine.
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Post by cyberstrike on Jun 13, 2011 17:39:31 GMT -5
The book didn't get the "Uncanny in the title until the new team first appeared from Claremont and Cockrum. True, but to many fans the book is called The Uncanny X-Men to differentiate it from all the other various X-Men titles over the years. Yes and no. The Amazing Spider-Man vol. 1 was IIRC launched before The Uncanny X-Men but Marvel actually canceled The Amazing Spider-Man vol. 1 in the late 90s/early 00s (along with every long running Silver Age book) and restarted it as The Amazing Spider-Man vol. 2. When Joe Quasada became Marvel EiC he introduced the concept of "legacy numbering" in which those books would have 2 different numbers on the covers the current volume number and the original volume 1 number under it. Near a milestone issue like The Amazing Spider-Man #600 Marvel would revert the numbering back to it's orginal vol. 1 number and drop the volume two numbering altogether. Some fans like me refer to these series as volume 3. So The Amazing Spider-Man vol. 3 is the current series with that name. One reason for high number count (approaching #666) is because in the past few years is that Marvel has been doing the book on a bi-weekly or weekly publishing schedule and that would give the series more issues than it normally would. The Uncanny X-Men is Marvel's longest running series that hasn't been canceled and restarted, renumbered, or renamed (in the past few years) until now. |
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Post by G on Jun 13, 2011 23:24:10 GMT -5
As we have mentioned here in other threads, numbering has become a fiasco in comics. If we didn't count relaunches and renumberings, I would consider the Fantastic Four the longest continuous running series by Marvel. But considering its been restarted a few times, picked back up on its original numbering and now cancelled and relaunched as FF, its amazing anyone can tell how to properly number or put in chronological order anymore. It's the flagship titles getting raped while mediocre smaller standing titles continue on without reason. This is where DC's relaunch confuses and makes sense at the same time. On one hand, it provides a total launching point for all of its titles to start over. On the other hand, it totally smacks the long time collector who happened to have collected hundreds of issues in a row only to have the plug pulled from them and start all over at #1. I would imagine if someone had even Action Comics 600 - 900 in a run, how ripped off they must feel to see it start over at number 1. Or am I thinking wrong here? I know that used to be half the beauty of large long standing comics. If you were a faithful follower, you might have hundred in a row and it was making you actively seek out older issues in an attempt to make your streak even longer. This is all just ruined with a relaunch to #1. Conversely, I would have considered Uncanny X-Men to be the TRUE X-Men title and all the rest just knock offs and spinoffs from this series. My 1st comic was Uncanny X-Men #110. My X-Men collection is mainly a rather large smattering of X-Men comics from the Uncanny line. Sure I have all kinds of other X-Men titles. Jim Lee X-Men anyone??? Astonishing? The list goes on and on. But the Uncanny X-Men are the centerpiece. Now you're going to cancel that and keep all the other sideshow stuff?  Is there any sense of loyalty to these guys running the show anymore? Do they even think about collectors anymore? Do we even exist to them? This kind of mentality just kills me. It disrupts or completely ruins history. It purposely makes following the timeline of a title almost impossible. It just adds to the confusion. Its not about clearing it up. Its about making it so mixed up that you don't care and you only want what is current today and you don't much care for the title and you don't much care to hunt back through back issues making a collection anymore. I don't feel like the creators of today are comic collecting FANS. You can joke the shit out of him all you want, but I think Stan Lee got comic collectors. I think Jim Shooter got comic collectors. I don't feel like the guys from today get it. They're disrespecting all the ground work that was laid before them. Its just stupidity to me. |
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Post by bigw1966 on Jun 16, 2011 9:23:13 GMT -5
Maybe "G", they are relaunching all of their books, with the range of titles that theyare so that they can attempt to...wait for it... get new readers, instead of support "Collectors" since Collectors are a limited Niche and they are not going to support digital comics which is the new coke right now. So you remove the collector ideal and push it towards reading entertainment, and hopefully spark an interest in alternate distribution methods.
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Post by defiant1 on Jun 16, 2011 17:29:12 GMT -5
Maybe "G", they are relaunching all of their books, with the range of titles that they are so that they can attempt to...wait for it... get new readers, instead of support "Collectors" since Collectors are a limited Niche and they are not going to support digital comics which is the new coke right now. So you remove the collector ideal and push it towards reading entertainment, and hopefully spark an interest in alternate distribution methods. I think this is their launch to get digital readers. I think they know the days of profitable printed comics is dwindling. df1 |
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Post by G on Jun 16, 2011 20:10:05 GMT -5
Maybe "G", they are relaunching all of their books, with the range of titles that theyare so that they can attempt to...wait for it... get new readers, instead of support "Collectors" since Collectors are a limited Niche and they are not going to support digital comics which is the new coke right now. So you remove the collector ideal and push it towards reading entertainment, and hopefully spark an interest in alternate distribution methods. Collectors are part of the readership group. I collect. I read. I do both. I guess it is deemed that collectors are no longer important even though they buy AND read. Yeah, who needs THOSE guys? This isn't going to appeal to anyone NEW. This is going to go after the same collectors who are already there. They might get a spike in sales for the initial first issues and then go back down to pre-relaunch levels in no time flat. This seems like the best bullet they have is relaunch and renumber #1's. So since we don't appear to demand more, I guess we can just do it again in another 20 - 30 months since the only thing it takes anymore to make us buy (and even as you say....gain....wait for it....NEW readers) is to just relaunch everything and slap #1's on it. Seems like a low bar to me. |
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Post by bigw1966 on Jun 17, 2011 6:34:06 GMT -5
If you have been reading the rleases regarding the new books, DC is making massive changes to their characters and their lineup.
Its almost as if the Darkest Night/Brightest Day events have turned DC on its head and they are getting some of that 90's over the top intensity injected into them.
JLA sounds like Squadron Supreme, they Even have superman dating Wonder Woman just like in S.S.
The wider range of books beyond Superheroes is an effort to grab more of awides range of readers.
Also "G", its not like they dislike the collectors at all, its just that as a mjor publishing business, they cannot allow their business to be controlled by those portions of their base. It has to have wider appeal or it will fail.
Collectors are a small niche, they only buy certain things generally and its not enough in sales to support the entire company on.
They are an entertainment company first and foremost.
They are a collectors dream by default.
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Post by G on Jun 17, 2011 15:36:20 GMT -5
I didn't say anything about limiting the appeal to just collectors. That's just assinine.
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