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Post by defiant1 on Jun 17, 2011 20:53:57 GMT -5
If you have been reading the rleases regarding the new books, DC is making massive changes to their characters and their lineup. Its almost as if the Darkest Night/Brightest Day events have turned DC on its head and they are getting some of that 90's over the top intensity injected into them. JLA sounds like Squadron Supreme, they Even have superman dating Wonder Woman just like in S.S. The wider range of books beyond Superheroes is an effort to grab more of awides range of readers. Also "G", its not like they dislike the collectors at all, its just that as a mjor publishing business, they cannot allow their business to be controlled by those portions of their base. It has to have wider appeal or it will fail. Collectors are a small niche, they only buy certain things generally and its not enough in sales to support the entire company on. They are an entertainment company first and foremost. They are a collectors dream by default. Collectors are the only thing keeping the publishing side going. Who is paying $3.50 for a comic and then discarding it? I actually look forward to seeing the sales drop after the hype is over. I actually want to see the harvest when stupidity is sown. df1
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Post by bigw1966 on Jun 18, 2011 9:48:35 GMT -5
If they do not take the risk at all, that is far worse than failing.
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Post by G on Jun 18, 2011 12:14:40 GMT -5
If they do not take the risk at all, that is far worse than failing. I've been reading new comics for the last 18 months and I have to say I really don't know what the fuck is going on. I can't just pick up a smattering of books anymore and get a sense I know where a comic is at in a couple of issues anymore. I get the feeling of an all over the place feeling. Same thing with mini and maxi series and mega crossovers. Usually there are so many pieces to complete or at least follow along with it that the whole thing just seems convoluted and going nowhere. The events don't really seem like events. I'm not interested in just a mini series because I want more out of a character than 1 story arc. If there is a title I want to follow along with, I'm lead through countless bouts of confusion to get to what is really going on. The concentration doesn't seem to be on just that character. It seems like it wants to be part of something bigger. Except what it is a part of is just tripping all over itself and feeling flat as hell. I'm not wanting to chase all of these clues down to see the overall bigger picture they are trying to sell me. I just want to follow a character. Either a character is divided into bite sized mini-series like story lines that have no connection to it's other story lines and therefore feel disassembled or have no impact on the character OR I'm dealing with a character that is in such a mega crossover event that I'll never really understand whats going on with this character because they keep trying to make me follow leads I'm not interested in. This just seems like a start over point to do more of the same. It's putting a .1 on it and saying...lets start here but its going to continue the same crap. Within 6 months the same things will be taking place. Either we'll have characters running quickly through one mindless story arc or we'll have characters being apart of something so huge that there is really no need to pay attention to the individual character. I don't see it as taking a chance. I see it as more of the same BS with different packaging and hoping we act as chumps and fall for it some more as another 6 months in their history goes by. I don't trust today's creators with the heroes anymore. They've done proven they don't care for what I grew up with either. They have to put somebody else in the uniform, kill off the character or give them a complete overhaul in design and change in direction. It's not working for me. Last month is the 1st month I didn't place an order in the past 18 months. What I've discovered in the process is the characters are not the problem and yet they continue to get changed. It's the creators who are the problem and yet they continue to lead. I can't believe I spent the last 18 months reading new comics and hardly learned a thing or found 2 or 3 titles that were even worthy of being followed. Taking a chance isn't feeding me the same shit and putting a new bow on it and calling it new. Taking a chance is realizing you're fucking shit up and you need to change your ways and do shit right for once. I'm not into this .1 mentality. They don't have enough faith to keep a comic running beyond a storyarc or two anymore. And I don't have enough patience to keep following it. I'm down with saying they've been fucking with me a bit too much. It's time to get off the ride and go find something else to spend my money on.
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Post by defiant1 on Jun 18, 2011 12:14:56 GMT -5
If they do not take the risk at all, that is far worse than failing. It's not wise to sacrifice your loyal customers that you rely upon because you hope to reach a completely new audience. You build upon your audience, you don't alienate them. df1
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Post by defiant1 on Jun 18, 2011 12:20:15 GMT -5
It's time to get off the ride and go find something else to spend my money on. I like having the extra money in my pocket. The creators ARE the problem. df1
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Post by cyberstrike on Jun 19, 2011 7:55:27 GMT -5
It's time to get off the ride and go find something else to spend my money on. I like having the extra money in my pocket. The creators ARE the problem. df1 And without the creators you 24 blank pages. Just saying.
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Post by G on Jun 19, 2011 10:37:37 GMT -5
Really what I mean is it's a lack of leadership and it's trickling down to the creators. There are plenty of good quality comics out there but they are not going anywhere or they are just a piece in a bigger picture which is also not going anywhere.
I've been reading Jim Shooters blog a bit here and there and you can tell there was a different atmosphere in getting comics done back then. There was people proofing work and saying "this sucks". There was stuff getting redone. There was plots being reworked because it wasn't making sense. There was editorial staff that made changes. The creator talent was part of a team and they had all bought into the system and the company and the characters were the focus.
I think one difference today is the creators of today are doing things and its not scrutinized like it was before and the people around them are enablers and they have become almost bigger than the creations they are working on and the company they work for. You don't have anyone telling people no. Do that over. That doesn't work.
One idea gets used for a mega crossover and then everyone is supposed to make their book have a supporting moment on it. It gets to be such a small piece of the overall picture and yet we need all 58 issues to know completely what the hell happened. Meantime, the rest of the comics start a story, end a story and nothing is in cohesion of what happened before or after. Its disjointed.
Its lack of leadership trickling down to creators who do not see themselves as doing anything wrong.
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Post by defiant1 on Jun 19, 2011 19:40:10 GMT -5
I like having the extra money in my pocket. The creators ARE the problem. df1 And without the creators you 24 blank pages. Just saying. What's the difference if they aren't producing anything that is worth my time to read? I can use blank pages as a notepad. Lousy comics are good for nothing. df1
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Post by defiant1 on Jun 19, 2011 19:44:10 GMT -5
I apologize. My last post was too negative. Lousy comics can be used to start campfires. They are good for something.
df1
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