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Post by defiant1 on Aug 6, 2011 17:36:03 GMT -5
What is your opinion of the kickstarter site to promote projects?
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Post by G on Aug 6, 2011 20:31:49 GMT -5
What is your opinion of the kickstarter site to promote projects? df1 Pretty neat in its own way. Sounds a bit like the next generation of ebay. Instead of selling your products, sell your ideas and see if it gets enough backing to see it through. If the amount you need is not met in pledges in the timeframe of the proposal, the deal is off and no one gives up any money and the project never happens. I'm a bit bothered by the Womanthology project that you have linked though. I don't have a problem at all with the concept of women getting backing to have their own project funded and published. What I have a problem with is seeing IDW listed on it. This basically get's their product out for free. I'd rather the Womanthology project be totally Independent and it sees the light of day because this site met its proposal. Having IDW's logo on it just makes it feel like...Fuck you IDW, pay for it yourself! I hope in the end, at least for comics on this site, it doesn't become a site where established creators and companies go to have their already established asses being the ones getting all the funding dollars. I want people like you and me and real ambition to go there and propose their idea and see it through and make a name for themselves. I don't want it to be a place where professionals go and squat and push aside funding for little people because they already have the name and the little people don't. In other words, I can see real quick how this place could turn into an unethical piece of shit. In my mind, I prefer to see it launch the have nots. Not the people that already haves.
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Post by defiant1 on Aug 7, 2011 1:10:47 GMT -5
You and I are less likely to put together a proposal that that would get funding. We aren't familiar with the business side of things. We are less likely to pull industry talent out of our hat to push the proposal through to a next level. Look at all the people they had to get involved to sell basically a signed and numbered coffee table book. It's essentially just more gimmicks. Why the hell would I pay out the ass for a post card from Neil Gaiman. Screw that. Is that supposed to make me pop a boner? It would just be another odd shaped collectible that wouldn't quite match what I want(ed) to collect.
The $50 donation where you got a copy of the book is what pushed the project through. It was just another way to presell the book. Whether it's IDW or not, it's essentially begging. It's saying the person does not have the financial resources to publish it.
I'm starting to think that by the time they ship 1000 books, it still won't be as successful as it seems. I assume this isn't donated art.
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Post by G on Aug 7, 2011 9:14:08 GMT -5
Of course we are less likely to put together a proposal that would merit backing. That's why I think someone who does get their shit together and does throw it up there for support might benefit from this. But come on, $25,000 to produce this is asking a lot of support. I'm talking about someone like you and me just putting together a real comic book. How much would that cost? $1,000? $5,000 $10,000? Surely what we would ask for would be much more modest. The coffee table book being advertised is a rip off for the reasons you said AND I don't care for it because its backed by IDW. Pretty soon we'll be seeing DC and Marvel and all the other comic publishers come on here and going "If you give us this much money, such and such artist and writer will make this happen in comics". When I think of it that way, it is begging. And I think it will further erode an already completely decayed comic's market. This is my fear with something like this. Not only will they put out shit that I could care less for, they'll get up front backing from us and literally put it out for free (after paying their people with funded money). I wouldn't want to support anything will well known names and logos. They already have their bread buttered. But I almost bet this is the direction this site heads in and the little people like us will not get their proposals to go through because by comparison, they fanboys of today will want to put their money into whatever the big comic companies propose and won't back any up and comers trying to make a dream into a reality.
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Post by defiant1 on Aug 7, 2011 16:23:25 GMT -5
Of course we are less likely to put together a proposal that would merit backing. That's why I think someone who does get their shit together and does throw it up there for support might benefit from this. But come on, $25,000 to produce this is asking a lot of support. I'm talking about someone like you and me just putting together a real comic book. How much would that cost? $1,000? $5,000 $10,000? Surely what we would ask for would be much more modest. The coffee table book being advertised is a rip off for the reasons you said AND I don't care for it because its backed by IDW. Pretty soon we'll be seeing DC and Marvel and all the other comic publishers come on here and going "If you give us this much money, such and such artist and writer will make this happen in comics". When I think of it that way, it is begging. And I think it will further erode an already completely decayed comic's market. This is my fear with something like this. Not only will they put out shit that I could care less for, they'll get up front backing from us and literally put it out for free (after paying their people with funded money). I wouldn't want to support anything will well known names and logos. They already have their bread buttered. But I almost bet this is the direction this site heads in and the little people like us will not get their proposals to go through because by comparison, they fanboys of today will want to put their money into whatever the big comic companies propose and won't back any up and comers trying to make a dream into a reality. Josh wrote this since our exchange... not sure why... "You know you're ruffling the right feathers when a senior VP in one of the big two is checking out what you write online..." df1
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Post by cyberstrike on Aug 8, 2011 8:32:27 GMT -5
My guess is that the so-called new DCU has about 1 or 2 women working on the books and I don't think that Marvel isn't much better in that department either and the project being promoted or begged for/about the most is a book about female comic book creators...
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Post by defiant1 on Aug 8, 2011 10:44:49 GMT -5
My guess is that the so-called new DCU has about 1 or 2 women working on the books and I don't think that Marvel isn't much better in that department either and the project being promoted or begged for/about the most is a book about female comic book creators... How well was this publicized? Is this friends of the female creators preordering it? On a 300 page book, it wouldn't take a lot of friends ordering it to make the book profitable. df1
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Post by cyberstrike on Aug 8, 2011 11:01:05 GMT -5
My guess is that the so-called new DCU has about 1 or 2 women working on the books and I don't think that Marvel isn't much better in that department either and the project being promoted or begged for/about the most is a book about female comic book creators... How well was this publicized? Is this friends of the female creators preordering it? On a 300 page book, it wouldn't take a lot of friends ordering it to make the book profitable. df1 If you're talking about the decline of female creators at DC it's been talked about quite a bit here is an article that has a couple of other links about it. If you're talking about the link that you posted here, this is the first I've heard about it.
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Post by defiant1 on Aug 8, 2011 17:20:53 GMT -5
How well was this publicized? Is this friends of the female creators preordering it? On a 300 page book, it wouldn't take a lot of friends ordering it to make the book profitable. df1 If you're talking about the decline of female creators at DC it's been talked about quite a bit here is an article that has a couple of other links about it. If you're talking about the link that you posted here, this is the first I've heard about it. I was talking about the link here. I'd never heard of it, so I was wondering who had. df1
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Post by bigw1966 on Aug 11, 2011 11:49:16 GMT -5
I am friends with Ray Dillon. He is the guy behind Womanology. His wife Renae De'Liz who is a really good comic artist put this together. The book is a mix of practically every published female comic writer or Artist in the industry, along with several unknowns who are getting published for the first time. All original stories not based on anything previously published except for some of the indies.
The reason that IDW is involved is because the book needs proper distribution and promotion to be successful. It could just as easily have been Image or Boom or another well distributed company. The project generated so much support through Ray's massive twitter promotion which got repeated by Joe Quesada and Neil Gaiman and many others in the industry. A number of whom donated things to the Kickstarter bidding. It is as you know an oversized coffee table book. Hardcover. They are going to print a lot of these, and everything is owned by each artist and they stay involved in profits.
There is already talk of planning a followup called Manology. I have been invited to do that if it happens. Ray is justdealing with this book.
THe initial costs were $25,000 for Printing with Promotion being handled by IDW then the book generated huge interest and it will supposedly get bigger promotion.
I do not see DC getting involved outside of maybe Vertigo. Marvel either unless they open that Icon line up to outside creator owned stuff.
If I manage to finish one of my own projects, I was planning on using Kickstarter to get the funds for publishing.
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