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Post by G on Jul 3, 2012 13:38:50 GMT -5
Is this one of the most uninspiring promotional pictures you've ever seen??? A weak fan out that makes no sense at all with ugly new uniforms. If that isn't bad enough.....read below.... Marvel NOW Relaunches The Marvel UBreaking News!
Marvel Relaunches In October With Marvel NOWwww.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=39525For months, Marvel Comics executives have been promising a major shake-up for their stories in the wake of the current "Avengers Vs. X-Men" event, though they've also promised the moves won't be a reboot of the Marvel U's long-running stories a la DC's New 52 initiative. Today, the scope of Marvel's plans came into light with the announcement of October's "Marvel NOW" initiative via Entertainment Weekly's Comic-Con themed issue. In what will surely be seen as the publisher's response to DC Comics' New 52 which set it sights on new and lapsed readers with issue #1 jumping on points, Marvel NOW is being promised as an easy entry point into the classic Marvel U. Throughout October, Marvel will launch a number of brand new series -- often more than one a week -- with additional new series and relaunches for some classic books rolling out through February of next year. Expanding on CBR's coverage from earlier this morning,these will include the following, announced in EW: - "Uncanny Avengers" by Rick Remender and John Cassaday starring a team composed of Captain America, Wolverine and others from the company's two powerhouse franchises battling the mutant-hating Red Skull.
- "All New X-Men" by Brian Michael Bendis and Stuart Immonen realigning the mutant team in the wake of "AvX" as the original five X-Men are mysteriously brought to the present day. This title will launch in November.
- "Avengers" by Jonathan Hickman and Jerome Opena, which is light on specific details aside from a roster of 18 heroes in a bi-weekly comic that seems to be Hickman-esque rethinking of the Avengers core mission in the vein of the writer's "Fantastic Four" run.
Aside from the core creative changes, all books branded with the Marvel NOW banner will feature a full slate of digital bells and whistles as part of the "Marvel ReEvolution" products that have played a part in "AvX's" launch. For example, every Marvel NOW first issue will feature AR enhanced recaps embedded in their covers, and the books will all carry a code for a free digital download of the issue through the Marvel App. In addition, the publisher is promising other creative shakeups outside the shuffling of their big name talent on their big name franchises. Marvel NOW books will feature new "cinematic" cover designs, and their characters will sport redesigned costumes, many shown off in a new piece by Chief Creative Officer Joe Quesada, a scan of which appeared on the CBR forums in the early hours of this morning. "It's a bridge book...something that can delve into both worlds," Remender told the magazine of how "Uncanny Avengers" bridges the pre and post-AvX Marvel U. Of "All-New X-Men," Bendis explained, "It's not a time-travel story like 'Back To The Future.' It's a time-travel story like 'Pleasantville,'" adding "Here's the big question that they original X-Men are gonna be faced with: 'We're gonna grow up, and this is what we're going to get? That is not acceptable." |
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Post by G on Jul 3, 2012 13:57:58 GMT -5
There is a link to their CBR forums on the article and I followed it and the feedback is less than thrilled. And this comes from obviously far more die hard fans of comics than I currently am and they don't like it. When will comics learn that the fans don't want bullshit like this. Check out some of their comments....
So, this reboot which is not a reboot, nor a relaunch too, is also not the MARVEL NEW 52...
So, except the stupid concept from the Lobotomized House of Ideas, what's new??? Bendis on X-Men? YURK!!!!!!!!!! When will they frag Bendis and its likes to the trash???
Man, Marvel is no more THE Marvel I have known and loved...
Relaunching Avengers and X-Men again. Marvel is getting really bad with the title re-starts and renumbering. "Hey guys! we just hit issue 17, we need to restart this for a #1!!!" It's just really convoluted and unnecessary.
Are a lot of heroes getting new costumes?
Thor seems to have swords now..wtf??
This teaser is really LAME. Instead of more connecting their titles it seems they just took a little of everything.
Captain America, Cyclops and Iron Man with new suits. Thor with a hammer and two swords. The hulk with I don't know what he is wearing (new Juggernaut?!?). Spider-Man clothing from the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon. What is going on?!?
Wow. Genuinely, genuinely depressed by these previews. BMB being given the X-Men [and the original team, no less, opening up all X-fans to the horrific possibilities of Bendis' inevitable retcons] is bad enough but the two new Avengers books both sound incredibly dumb.
I realize it's basically a relaunch to some degree but some of these suits are ridiculous.
what the hell's up with the X-visor for Cyclops, is he shooting the beams out from a pinhole? And goddamn, I wish Marcus Johnson wasn't wearing Cap's old hand-me-downs, he's not fit to shine Cap's shoes let alone wear them.
I'm not sure why Marvel would consider anything like a reboot or relaunch, given that DC's New 52 has been an abject failure in getting new readers onboard and has only been moderately sucessful in bringing back lapsed readers.
Why copy failure?
Ahhhh.... Nevermind. What's the point in bitching.
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Post by defiant1 on Jul 3, 2012 21:07:42 GMT -5
We knew they'd do it! C'mon. They have no ideas. You are seeing writer's block played out and sold. They scribble stuff on paper, publish it, and then throw it away. Normally a writer scribbles on paper and throws the crap away BEFORE he publishes anything.
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Post by AC on Jul 12, 2012 11:49:10 GMT -5
This was more or less what I'd been fearing since the announcement of Avengers vs X-Men.
I'm glad and relieved that we're not getting a tabula rasa re-boot, as it feels to me that the current crop of Marvel creators are in a big-time hurry to put their "thumbprints" on these characters... and what better way, than rewriting their very origins?
I'm puzzled as to what Marvel thinks this is going to accomplish. We've already seen DC's New 52 surge level out, and many (though, not all) of their titles are back to (or below) their pre-reboot sales figures.
The three new announced relaunches do very little to excite me... which speaks to the larger problem. Marvel is no longer trying to sell comics to ME. DC told me last year they no longer require my money, and this year it's Marvel.
I'm not a comic-con goer, or a comic movie watcher, or a big bang theory viewer, or a "geek culture" proponent who will wear a faded Captain America shirt I found at Target for $5 because "oh, so geeky"... I'm just a guy who's bought comics for a quarter of a century.
Anyhoo... sorry for the rant, just really disenfranchised with the entire industry at the moment. Not feeling terribly positive about Marvel NOW... and am awaiting the next "Bold New Direction" that will be shoved down our throats after the 2-3 month sales surge levels out.
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Post by G on Jul 12, 2012 17:19:22 GMT -5
I'm glad and relieved that we're not getting a tabula rasa re-boot, as it feels to me that the current crop of Marvel creators are in a big-time hurry to put their "thumbprints" on these characters... and what better way, than rewriting their very origins? I guess I find putting your thumbprint on a character by rewriting an origin as disrespectful, which I think is a huge problem with the current crop of creators anyway. How would Todd McFarlane feel if someone totally changed his beloved Spawn character around? Or Erik Larsen on his Savage Dragon character? Having creative freedom on a character is all well and good but along with that, I think you should respect what came before you. This reboot at will concept is part of what keeps shaking fans out if you ask me. You know a lot of people are along for the ride and then you shake the tree and what happens? People fall off. That's what comics seem to do over and over and over. And yet we continue to praise them and act like they are great as the tree has less and less people hanging on. The putting their own thumbprint on well established characters for the sake of making their name mean something to a character has alienated fans over the years. Reboot, revise, rehash, re-anything is not the answer. The idea is to respect what came before you and concentrate on making a memorable story arc with TALENT and BUILD something that doesn't look like monkey-see, monkey-do. It seems too hard to do these days. I really think the talent we have these days suffer from a real lack of talent and lack of real ideas. The fans continue to moan and still they keep going. There is a saying in sports that says "No one is bigger than the game"...in comics, its become the creators are bigger than the characters. They've got it backwards. Their ego is out of control. The characters should be bigger then themselves. And no one gets that. Comics have become an "its all about me" generation. Marvel NOW quite simply sucks. I'm just a guy who's bought comics for a quarter of a century. Anyhoo... sorry for the rant, just really disenfranchised with the entire industry at the moment. Not feeling terribly positive about Marvel NOW... and am awaiting the next "Bold New Direction" that will be shoved down our throats after the 2-3 month sales surge levels out. The thing is, I can tell you love for current comics is currently higher than mine and has been for awhile and yet I see sentiments from people like yourself that you're getting tired of the runaround. We've been treated to all of this kind of nonsense before and yet you recognize that after the initial boost in sales wanes and dies down, you'll be treated with another "earth-shaking" no substance ground breaking moment. Eventually people realize they are getting jerked around and chasing stories over multiple arcs and series and finding the enjoyment of it all not even worthy of one single running comic book. How long before someone like you gets shaken out? Obviously there is still enough people holding on out there to support the bad habits of the industry. But when you see those who still remain bitching and moaning, how long before its no longer sustainable to continue to do business this way? btw, good to see you again ace! |
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Post by AC on Jul 12, 2012 19:21:02 GMT -5
Totally agree here... I didn't mean to say the thumb-printing was a good thing. Far from it, in fact. It's something that I used to call the "Dinty Moore Dilemma" (re: the thumbprint on old cans of beef stew), when I worked in the corporate world. People were always in such a rush to see their names in print, and the committee decisions in some way attributed to their "delicate genius".
I really hate seeing these comic book universes that I/we have followed for decades being remade in the image of these "flavor of the week" creators.
I once wrote a piece as an homage to Jim Cornette's (wrestling manager/booker) Four Kinds of Wrestling Fans, and attributed to comics fandom. Cornette's argument was that wrestling is trying to appeal to a fandom that simply doesn't exist. Comics is doing the same thing. If even 1 in every thousand people who saw The Avengers/Dark Knight/Thor/Iron Man in theaters started buying comics, the industry would have proper impetus and justification in appealing to them... that doesn't appear to be the case. You would figure that would tell Marvel (and DC) that these new fans... they ain't coming. We comic-crack-fiends are what is paddling the boat... and we keep getting fed shit and we're expected to like it.
This takes me back to an old chestnut that John Byrne often says... comics are now about the singer, not the song.
In fact, if you check out CBR right now, you'll see stories about:
CHRISTOS GAGE'S x-men legacy
RICK REMENDER'S uncanny x-force
You'd almost think Marvel owned the creators and not the characters...
Nice to be back!
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Post by AC on Jul 13, 2012 11:50:32 GMT -5
This news is old by a few days... but the October solicits make mention of several books being canned.
Among those recently relaunched:
Captain America - Which made it to the lofty heights of issue #19
The Mighty Thor - Which broke the elusive 20-barrier at #22
Incredible Hulk - They said it couldn't be done... issue #15
Uncanny (the regenesis renumbering was not a stunt) X-Men - #20
And... this month's $2.99 blood-letting:
Fantastic Four #611 (which had a whole 11 issues back at it's original numbering)
FF #23
New Mutants #50
X-Men Legacy #275
I'm guessing come the end of the year that at least two of these books will be relaunched at $3.99.
There's also Invincible Iron Man, which I don't follow (can't stand Fraction's writing)... so I'm unsure if it's happening naturally or forced.
I'm fairly certain that the #1 issues of the relaunches will sell respectably... but, what the big two don't seem to fully grasp... comic fans (tho addicts) are not as stupid as they think we are.
A #1 may be a fun read, and an impulse purchase (especially if you shop online)... but, if you've never read, say... the Fantastic Four... when you buy the First issue of the 2012 volume of Fantastic Four... there is STILL FIFTY YEARS of history these characters have.
Regardless of the bright shiny #1 on the cover, these characters are still over a half-century old and they've had thousands of issues worth of adventures. A number 1 is not "getting in on the ground floor"... these days it's done for things as benign as a change in writer.
Anyhow... with every news item, I feel there's a new nail being hammered into my coffin as a comics fan.
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Post by defiant1 on Jul 13, 2012 19:10:23 GMT -5
This news is old by a few days... but the October solicits make mention of several books being canned. Among those recently relaunched: Captain America - Which made it to the lofty heights of issue #19 The Mighty Thor - Which broke the elusive 20-barrier at #22 Incredible Hulk - They said it couldn't be done... issue #15 Uncanny (the regenesis renumbering was not a stunt) X-Men - #20 And... this month's $2.99 blood-letting: Fantastic Four #611 (which had a whole 11 issues back at it's original numbering) FF #23 New Mutants #50 X-Men Legacy #275 I'm guessing come the end of the year that at least two of these books will be relaunched at $3.99. There's also Invincible Iron Man, which I don't follow (can't stand Fraction's writing)... so I'm unsure if it's happening naturally or forced. I'm fairly certain that the #1 issues of the relaunches will sell respectably... but, what the big two don't seem to fully grasp... comic fans (tho addicts) are not as stupid as they think we are. A #1 may be a fun read, and an impulse purchase (especially if you shop online)... but, if you've never read, say... the Fantastic Four... when you buy the First issue of the 2012 volume of Fantastic Four... there is STILL FIFTY YEARS of history these characters have. Regardless of the bright shiny #1 on the cover, these characters are still over a half-century old and they've had thousands of issues worth of adventures. A number 1 is not "getting in on the ground floor"... these days it's done for things as benign as a change in writer. Anyhow... with every news item, I feel there's a new nail being hammered into my coffin as a comics fan. You summed it up. It's another desperate gimmick and they are slowly and surely running off everyone that was loyal. df1 |
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