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Post by G on Jul 17, 2013 8:27:18 GMT -5
This just hit the auction block and is on sale now. I remember you briefly made the Calendar Man into your Avatar for a bit. These old Batman's always do well. It's funny how many times Batman and Robin are on the front of a book in that position back then. I seen on the CGC boards a while back a thread on this topic. It was too stupid. This issue is from 1958. In great shape with just little things except for the blunted edge on the right side. Overall, its still a sharp copy. I thought I got it from another title. Hmmm! df1 I think I posted this book a few years back and right after I did, you made an avatar out of it. This isn't the 1st time I posted this book on my site.
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Post by defiant1 on Jul 17, 2013 18:59:20 GMT -5
I REALLY like this one. I want Blip to battle Zzaxx (Too lazy to check the number of z's and x's) df1 I'm not sure who Zzaxx is, but this is a pretty killer issue. I know you are a fan of the Hulk. This is done by Sal Buscema who I think gets overlooked for his run on the Hulk. I really think his work on the Hulk was his best work. Especially when he had great inkers. Unfortunately, I believe this one was done by Jack Abel, who I think sucked ass. He was a lazy inker who washed out everybody he ever worked on by fading their tightness. He did the same on this issue too, but I will say Sal's dynamic style still shines through. This is actually a pretty kick ass issue. I like Sal's early work on Submariner, but as time went by he became more and more of a hack artist. I grew to hate seeing his art more and more. He drew everyone hunched over to fit in a frame. Their legs were spread wider and wider as time went by. Their mouths were open and their fingers were spread wide like their hands were a claw. They looked like they were trying to take a crap while standing up. He had as much skill as his brother, but he was more concerned about spitting out as many pages a month as possible. I just started to loathe his stock shortcuts. Jim Shooter made some comments about having to kick back his art, so it was refreshing to see that someone at Marvel was seeing the same things I saw. Shooter also had a story about Jack Abel. His work didn't bother me. df1
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Post by defiant1 on Jul 17, 2013 19:05:01 GMT -5
No temptation for me. The only kiss songs I like are the two songs Kiss fans hate. df1 I'm not a huge KISS fan myself. My favorite songs are Detroit Rock City (because of the bass line) and I was made for loving you (which gets killed as a Disco sellout but I love it). God of Thunder and Wanna Hear it Loud. I've never seen them. I'd see them if nothing else was around. I almost saw them last year. I don't hate them. I actually like them. But they aren't way up there on my favorite bands list. In terms of this issue, I see potential money on it. When I think Howard the Duck, I think issue #1 and #12 and #13. I can't think of any other issues I would actually want. Maybe the last issue. But #12 and #13 I think about in terms of flipping value. Typically a cheap find that can be flipped for profit because most people aren't up on their Howard the Duck realizing this is the 1st appearance of KISS. I found this in a box of stuff that I intended to sell. I looked at it and thought "this is kinda neat". Overall I didn't care for the series. I like "Beth" and "I was made for loving you." The rest of Kiss' songs are utter cheese. I can tolerate some, but I'd never walk in a record store and start looking through their albums. Oh wait... record stores don't exist anymore. I'm living in the past. df1
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Post by defiant1 on Jul 17, 2013 19:09:36 GMT -5
Rather than struggle with opening it or not, I'd never buy it. My tastes are too diverse as it is. Funny animal comics are a side I like to see out there, but they aren't what I want to collect. df1 It always seemed to be an opening for getting women involved and I exploited that. My now ex-wife had a decent collection which I inherited now that she is gone. Between what she had and what I've amassed over the years, I have a pretty decent stash of funny books. They aren't my first wave of books I go after, but let me see something like this and I'll scoop it up. I actually have about 3 or 4 of these. My girlfriend is painting a lot now, so she appreciates art and different art styles. Last time I met David Mack, he gave me some of his Marvel/Icon imprint Kabuki comics. I passed some along to her and she liked them. She's always encouraged me to draw more comics. I need to do it, but it's so much work and I'm so rusty at drawing. df1
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Post by defiant1 on Jul 17, 2013 19:13:16 GMT -5
I thought I got it from another title. Hmmm! df1 I think I posted this book a few years back and right after I did, you made an avatar out of it. This isn't the 1st time I posted this book on my site. That sounds like something I'd do. I like the way the art makes him look like he's treading slowly and I like the way he extends his arms out like his haNDS WOULD BE ON FIRE IF HE DIDN'T. Ignore the caps lock. Too lazy to retype it. df1
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Post by G on Jul 19, 2013 11:22:43 GMT -5
It always seemed to be an opening for getting women involved and I exploited that. My now ex-wife had a decent collection which I inherited now that she is gone. Between what she had and what I've amassed over the years, I have a pretty decent stash of funny books. They aren't my first wave of books I go after, but let me see something like this and I'll scoop it up. I actually have about 3 or 4 of these. My girlfriend is painting a lot now, so she appreciates art and different art styles. Last time I met David Mack, he gave me some of his Marvel/Icon imprint Kabuki comics. I passed some along to her and she liked them. She's always encouraged me to draw more comics. I need to do it, but it's so much work and I'm so rusty at drawing. df1 I always want to draw a comic but it is so much work and I don't feel good about my comic drawing either, that I just put it off and never end up doing it. However, I have visions in my head of doing things one day when life is settled and in order and I can work on things extremely slow and just do things 1 panel at a time. It might take years for me to do. But I think it would turn out to be something I would be proud of, rather than something I would do kind of quickly and it turns out like shit. In terms of your work, I don't think the art is the main concern. From my viewpoint, the art was done well enough to convey your stories properly and being it is a humorous type of work, the art does not have to be done with great skill. As long as you do it well enough to get your stories across like I have seen you do in the past, it's good enough to be presented to others. Because with your work, it's not the art that needs to shine, it's rather your stories.
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Post by G on Jul 19, 2013 11:29:14 GMT -5
I'm not sure who Zzaxx is, but this is a pretty killer issue. I know you are a fan of the Hulk. This is done by Sal Buscema who I think gets overlooked for his run on the Hulk. I really think his work on the Hulk was his best work. Especially when he had great inkers. Unfortunately, I believe this one was done by Jack Abel, who I think sucked ass. He was a lazy inker who washed out everybody he ever worked on by fading their tightness. He did the same on this issue too, but I will say Sal's dynamic style still shines through. This is actually a pretty kick ass issue. I like Sal's early work on Submariner, but as time went by he became more and more of a hack artist. I grew to hate seeing his art more and more. He drew everyone hunched over to fit in a frame. Their legs were spread wider and wider as time went by. Their mouths were open and their fingers were spread wide like their hands were a claw. They looked like they were trying to take a crap while standing up. He had as much skill as his brother, but he was more concerned about spitting out as many pages a month as possible. I just started to loathe his stock shortcuts. Jim Shooter made some comments about having to kick back his art, so it was refreshing to see that someone at Marvel was seeing the same things I saw. Shooter also had a story about Jack Abel. His work didn't bother me. df1 I agree as time went by, Sal Buscema did become a copy and paste artist with different faces and he lost a lot of good credibility to his work and it looked like, as you say, hack jobs. However, I do think his Hulk days during the early 200's issues were awesome! He captured the dumb Hulk who was seething mad exceptionally well in my book and I think how the Hulk was handled afterwards always turned me off. To me the Hulk will always be big dumb brute who is incredibly strong and angry but in his heart is looking for peace, love and happiness and cares for people who are good for him. That is the Hulk I love. Not the smart Hulk walking around like anybody else. I hate that Hulk. In closing, I think Sal captured the one I loved! I also dug his Sub-Mariner work and his Defenders work and I think his early issues of Rom was well done. As he got further into the book, he became the old hack master. But early on, that book shined. He was always the poor man's John Buscema. Not as talented as his brother but sometimes more dynamic. When he done his best work, he was extremely fun to look at. His worst work, was incredibly unbearable.
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Post by defiant1 on Jul 19, 2013 18:42:17 GMT -5
My girlfriend is painting a lot now, so she appreciates art and different art styles. Last time I met David Mack, he gave me some of his Marvel/Icon imprint Kabuki comics. I passed some along to her and she liked them. She's always encouraged me to draw more comics. I need to do it, but it's so much work and I'm so rusty at drawing. df1 I always want to draw a comic but it is so much work and I don't feel good about my comic drawing either, that I just put it off and never end up doing it. However, I have visions in my head of doing things one day when life is settled and in order and I can work on things extremely slow and just do things 1 panel at a time. It might take years for me to do. But I think it would turn out to be something I would be proud of, rather than something I would do kind of quickly and it turns out like shit. In terms of your work, I don't think the art is the main concern. From my viewpoint, the art was done well enough to convey your stories properly and being it is a humorous type of work, the art does not have to be done with great skill. As long as you do it well enough to get your stories across like I have seen you do in the past, it's good enough to be presented to others. Because with your work, it's not the art that needs to shine, it's rather your stories. The art is the stumbling point. I'll have free-flowing ideas of how I want a story to go, but the execution of those ideas gets drained when I have to sit at a table and draw at a snails pace. I do agree my art conveys the story. For me, the facial expressions and hands convey more of what is going on than any other element in the panel. This is where the reader connects to what the character is saying. You art was getting pretty good. You just needed to work on line weights to convey depth and contrast. I think you could be damn good with more time invested. You are a helluva lot better than Stu. df1
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Post by defiant1 on Jul 19, 2013 18:49:45 GMT -5
I like Sal's early work on Submariner, but as time went by he became more and more of a hack artist. I grew to hate seeing his art more and more. He drew everyone hunched over to fit in a frame. Their legs were spread wider and wider as time went by. Their mouths were open and their fingers were spread wide like their hands were a claw. They looked like they were trying to take a crap while standing up. He had as much skill as his brother, but he was more concerned about spitting out as many pages a month as possible. I just started to loathe his stock shortcuts. Jim Shooter made some comments about having to kick back his art, so it was refreshing to see that someone at Marvel was seeing the same things I saw. Shooter also had a story about Jack Abel. His work didn't bother me. df1 I agree as time went by, Sal Buscema did become a copy and paste artist with different faces and he lost a lot of good credibility to his work and it looked like, as you say, hack jobs. However, I do think his Hulk days during the early 200's issues were awesome! He captured the dumb Hulk who was seething mad exceptionally well in my book and I think how the Hulk was handled afterwards always turned me off. To me the Hulk will always be big dumb brute who is incredibly strong and angry but in his heart is looking for peace, love and happiness and cares for people who are good for him. That is the Hulk I love. Not the smart Hulk walking around like anybody else. I hate that Hulk. In closing, I think Sal captured the one I loved! I also dug his Sub-Mariner work and his Defenders work and I think his early issues of Rom was well done. As he got further into the book, he became the old hack master. But early on, that book shined. He was always the poor man's John Buscema. Not as talented as his brother but sometimes more dynamic. When he done his best work, he was extremely fun to look at. His worst work, was incredibly unbearable. The Herb Trimpe art captured both his raw power and his innocent ambitions. Trimpe's art nailed Hulk. It wasn't good enough for just any title, but for me he nailed Hulk perfectly. I think Sal is just as talented as his brother if that's what he wanted to do. I think he discovered that he could make more money by pumping out more pages. If you don't care about your reputation, why work harder and get less pay? He only got paid for completed pages, so he pumped out as many as he could. df1
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Post by G on Jul 22, 2013 18:34:34 GMT -5
I agree as time went by, Sal Buscema did become a copy and paste artist with different faces and he lost a lot of good credibility to his work and it looked like, as you say, hack jobs. However, I do think his Hulk days during the early 200's issues were awesome! He captured the dumb Hulk who was seething mad exceptionally well in my book and I think how the Hulk was handled afterwards always turned me off. To me the Hulk will always be big dumb brute who is incredibly strong and angry but in his heart is looking for peace, love and happiness and cares for people who are good for him. That is the Hulk I love. Not the smart Hulk walking around like anybody else. I hate that Hulk. In closing, I think Sal captured the one I loved! I also dug his Sub-Mariner work and his Defenders work and I think his early issues of Rom was well done. As he got further into the book, he became the old hack master. But early on, that book shined. He was always the poor man's John Buscema. Not as talented as his brother but sometimes more dynamic. When he done his best work, he was extremely fun to look at. His worst work, was incredibly unbearable. The Herb Trimpe art captured both his raw power and his innocent ambitions. Trimpe's art nailed Hulk. It wasn't good enough for just any title, but for me he nailed Hulk perfectly. I think Sal is just as talented as his brother if that's what he wanted to do. I think he discovered that he could make more money by pumping out more pages. If you don't care about your reputation, why work harder and get less pay? He only got paid for completed pages, so he pumped out as many as he could. df1 I agree that Herb Trimpe captured a fantastic Hulk. I remember being young and buying the reprint series of Hulk books "Marvel Super Heroes" or something like that and they reprinted all the old Hulks. I remember reading those stories and being introduced to Jim Wilson, Jarella, Doc Sampson, etc. I especially loved his art when Severin was inking. But I cannot overlook that I thought Sal did a great job on it as well. I truly think this may have been his greatest run. What he did over Trimpe, is Trimpe was always a bit stiff and blocky or bulky. Sal captured the anger and loosened Hulk way up. I think his stories were filled with more action. I think Trimpe was better at the inner story. I wouldn't take anything away from either. I know what you don't like about Sal and I agree. But I don't think Sal did a rush job on the Hulk. I think he did it more and more AFTER his run on the Hulk, but during that run, I think it was one of his best eras.
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