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Post by G on May 7, 2008 20:22:03 GMT -5
Perhaps I am talking about 2 different things here, but they seem rather similar to me. I guess a true spine roll is more damaging and even gives the book a non-flat look with a rolled up spine on the left. But when I was young, whether mistakenly or not, we called miswrapped covers where you could see the white of the back cover on the front along the spine...a spine roll. Perhaps it is truly just miswrapped and totally different in terms of defects. If they are different, I would imagine spine roll is the worser of the 2.
However, I must say, I always find a miswrap, even not a very bad one....unsightly. And I always considered them a defect worse than what I think CGC sees it. Ive seen books graded 9.4 or 9.6 and there is that familiar white along the spine of a book with a miswrapped cover. To me it makes a 9.6 look like a 9.0. It just isnt as pretty. If I can get a 9.6 without a miswrap, damn straight Im taking it over one with it. It almost seems like CGC doesnt really see it as a miswrap or a defect at all. Me, Im old school on this one. If the cover is not ending where the staples go...to me, its not a perfectly wrapped cover and I just dont find it a very desirable condition even if the rest of the book is flawless otherwise. To me, this is a defect as glaring as a moderate crease. I just find it unsightly.
Anybody know what Im talking about? Thoughts???
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Post by Brother J on May 8, 2008 10:27:26 GMT -5
Perhaps I am talking about 2 different things here, but they seem rather similar to me. I guess a true spine roll is more damaging and even gives the book a non-flat look with a rolled up spine on the left. But when I was young, whether mistakenly or not, we called miswrapped covers where you could see the white of the back cover on the front along the spine...a spine roll. Perhaps it is truly just miswrapped and totally different in terms of defects. If they are different, I would imagine spine roll is the worser of the 2. However, I must say, I always find a miswrap, even not a very bad one....unsightly. And I always considered them a defect worse than what I think CGC sees it. Ive seen books graded 9.4 or 9.6 and there is that familiar white along the spine of a book with a miswrapped cover. To me it makes a 9.6 look like a 9.0. It just isnt as pretty. If I can get a 9.6 without a miswrap, damn straight Im taking it over one with it. It almost seems like CGC doesnt really see it as a miswrap or a defect at all. Me, Im old school on this one. If the cover is not ending where the staples go...to me, its not a perfectly wrapped cover and I just dont find it a very desirable condition even if the rest of the book is flawless otherwise. To me, this is a defect as glaring as a moderate crease. I just find it unsightly. Anybody know what Im talking about? Thoughts??? Very simple, one is a printing defect (miswrap) while the other is damage caused after printing (spine roll). CGC doesn't take off much for printing defects, if anything. There's actually a pretty big difference between a spine roll and a miswrap, as the miswrap only affects the cover, while a spine roll affects the whole book. |
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Post by G on May 8, 2008 11:46:01 GMT -5
Perhaps I am talking about 2 different things here, but they seem rather similar to me. I guess a true spine roll is more damaging and even gives the book a non-flat look with a rolled up spine on the left. But when I was young, whether mistakenly or not, we called miswrapped covers where you could see the white of the back cover on the front along the spine...a spine roll. Perhaps it is truly just miswrapped and totally different in terms of defects. If they are different, I would imagine spine roll is the worser of the 2. However, I must say, I always find a miswrap, even not a very bad one....unsightly. And I always considered them a defect worse than what I think CGC sees it. Ive seen books graded 9.4 or 9.6 and there is that familiar white along the spine of a book with a miswrapped cover. To me it makes a 9.6 look like a 9.0. It just isnt as pretty. If I can get a 9.6 without a miswrap, damn straight Im taking it over one with it. It almost seems like CGC doesnt really see it as a miswrap or a defect at all. Me, Im old school on this one. If the cover is not ending where the staples go...to me, its not a perfectly wrapped cover and I just dont find it a very desirable condition even if the rest of the book is flawless otherwise. To me, this is a defect as glaring as a moderate crease. I just find it unsightly. Anybody know what Im talking about? Thoughts??? Very simple, one is a printing defect (miswrap) while the other is damage caused after printing (spine roll). CGC doesn't take off much for printing defects, if anything. There's actually a pretty big difference between a spine roll and a miswrap, as the miswrap only affects the cover, while a spine roll affects the whole book. True dat...Double True... But, I still think miswraps are ugly. Im not into having a CGC 9.6 with a miswrap. Just me. Its not nearly perfect to me. I knew spine roll was the more major of the 2, but when I was young me and my friends would call any spine roll or a miswrap a spine roll. We didnt know to call it a miswrap yet (until I got older). I think the stigma remained with me ever since. I can accept spine roll as damaged. I cannot accept that miswrap is not an imperfection. |
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Post by G on May 22, 2008 11:56:04 GMT -5
This is just an example I found but its a good one to me:  That just looks horrid in my opinion and yet Ive seen 9.4's and 9.6's CGC'd with this amount of miswrap on the them. I cant see how something this unsightly cannot be seen as a defect. If the same book had a wrap where the edge meets where the black of the cover and the white of the back meets, how can you not want this one in the same condition over the other one with the bad miswrap??? |
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Post by cfs on May 22, 2008 21:34:48 GMT -5
This is just an example I found but its a good one to me: That just looks horrid in my opinion and yet Ive seen 9.4's and 9.6's CGC'd with this amount of miswrap on the them. I cant see how something this unsightly cannot be seen as a defect. If the same book had a wrap where the edge meets where the black of the cover and the white of the back meets, how can you not want this one in the same condition over the other one with the bad miswrap??? It is a defect, but grade is based upon wear, not printing defects. I agree with that criteria. It also means that two comics of the same grade may not be equally desirable. The question I must ask is.... If this book were from 1894... would you give it a high cgc grade and ignore the spine miswrap? cfs |
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Post by G on May 22, 2008 22:44:03 GMT -5
Okay....what about the famous Marvel Chipping? Thats a printing defect. Man, I must be sitting on a ton of High Grade Charltons and didnt even know it!  |
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