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Post by defiant1 on Feb 20, 2010 22:06:31 GMT -5
I love Slipnot; Waltrip you should actually give them a listen. Some of their songs are like this, but just as many are straight old school metal sounding. I actually drew the transformation pages of my comic while listening to slipnot. They are just a brutal band. Now I don't really like Death Metal. I recently went to see Dream Theater in concert. (Awesome band IMO) They had 4 other groups with them one group who seemed to be really popular and are supposedly considered -progressive- was OPETH. That guys singing was axactly what waltrip was talking about. Musically they rocked until the guy opened his mouth. Regarding Metallica; I get tired of hearing the old go to songs by them. But sometimes they will throw Damage Inc or Four Horseman or even Whiplash onto the radio. I can get behind that stuff. The new album, DEATH MAGNETIC is a fantastic album. Its right there with ...and justice for all. I dislike one song on it. The rest especially -My Apocolypse- kick ass. I never was a huge Metallica fan, but my friend's roommate was a roadie for them. The only time I ever saw them was with a free snakepit pass. To me, Jason Newsted's bass playing and involvement in the band is what really took them to their commercial best. I saw his band Echobrain after he left Metallica and you could tell how serious he takes his work. He went off on a fan that was disrupting the show. Haven't heard anything new from Metallica and don't really care. When they sued their fans and forgot all the tape sharing roots that put their name in the public eye, I quit caring. I don't like supporting bands that think we owe them anything. Music is one of those things that you put out there and you hope to get something back. If you don't, join the rest of us. If songs are so creatively valuable, then writers need to treat them like their other valuable and lock them up. They wouldn't put their movie poster collection up on the stage and throw copies out to the audience and expect to get it back. Why do they think people won't record songs and keep copies of their music. The only value music has is in the controlled distribution, not the product itself. df1
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Post by G on Feb 20, 2010 23:10:50 GMT -5
I never was a huge Metallica fan, but my friend's roommate was a roadie for them. The only time I ever saw them was with a free snakepit pass. To me, Jason Newsted's bass playing and involvement in the band is what really took them to their commercial best. I saw his band Echobrain after he left Metallica and you could tell how serious he takes his work. He went off on a fan that was disrupting the show. df1 I seen a couple of documentaries on Metallica that were very good and while the music was a part of it to all of them, the other guys seemed to have issues with themselves and each other. Jason just had issues with the music. People seem to like Master of Puppets as the peak of their thrashing, but I always preferred And Justice for All over Puppets. Two big differences for me. Previous to Puppets, I thought Metallica sounded raw, Puppets is where they matured with Cliff Burton on Bass, but sadly it was his last. They were really polishing off their sound. But I think it was fully polished with And Justice For All. I really think that is their tightest album and the other difference is Lar's drumming and bass drumming. Together they all had their timing down to a tee and no longer sounded raw. By then, they were just tight and clean. I bring Jason up because in a documentary that showed Metallica making the 1990 self titled Black Album, Jason goes into it saying he hates the Justice album because basically he only backed up the guitars of Kirk and James. He basically made the same sounds they did throughout much of it and says that bass wise, he didn't have much input into it and therefore, didn't care for it much. On the Black Album, he was all into the creation of it. While the other guys found so many things to have issues over, Jason just kept being seen talking about the music. Later for the documentary for the making of St. Anger and the 1st album without Jason, they show Jason with Echobrain. In it, you could tell he wanted to make music he had a lot of say in but also could tell he was looking like he felt like he just fucked up leaving Metallica. I always liked Jason. I always thought he was a great fit after Cliff Burton died. I didn't think they could do any better. The movie shows Robert Tujillo auditioning and making the band. He amazes the band by being able to play strictly with fingers and not missing a note while other name brand bass players auditioning were struggling with the hardest parts of the songs. Even though he deserved it and even though I always thought his music was good enough to be in Metallica, it's hard for me to like him. He just doesn't look, act and feel like Metallica to me. But then again, Metallica doesn't seem very much like Metallica to me anymore. I feel like the phases Metallica has been in are closely related to their bass players. Cliff - Classic but raw Metallica Jason - Polished, Peaking and Expanded Horizons Metallica (some of this I also believe to be the worst of Metallica for expanding too far) Jason - Odd Metallica and back to its roots somewhat, really doing whatever they want
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Post by Wrecks on Feb 21, 2010 6:42:24 GMT -5
Wait.. so why did Metallica sue their fans?
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Post by defiant1 on Feb 21, 2010 8:06:52 GMT -5
I never was a huge Metallica fan, but my friend's roommate was a roadie for them. The only time I ever saw them was with a free snakepit pass. To me, Jason Newsted's bass playing and involvement in the band is what really took them to their commercial best. I saw his band Echobrain after he left Metallica and you could tell how serious he takes his work. He went off on a fan that was disrupting the show. df1 I seen a couple of documentaries on Metallica that were very good and while the music was a part of it to all of them, the other guys seemed to have issues with themselves and each other. Jason just had issues with the music. People seem to like Master of Puppets as the peak of their thrashing, but I always preferred And Justice for All over Puppets. Two big differences for me. Previous to Puppets, I thought Metallica sounded raw, Puppets is where they matured with Cliff Burton on Bass, but sadly it was his last. They were really polishing off their sound. But I think it was fully polished with And Justice For All. I really think that is their tightest album and the other difference is Lar's drumming and bass drumming. Together they all had their timing down to a tee and no longer sounded raw. By then, they were just tight and clean. I bring Jason up because in a documentary that showed Metallica making the 1990 self titled Black Album, Jason goes into it saying he hates the Justice album because basically he only backed up the guitars of Kirk and James. He basically made the same sounds they did throughout much of it and says that bass wise, he didn't have much input into it and therefore, didn't care for it much. On the Black Album, he was all into the creation of it. While the other guys found so many things to have issues over, Jason just kept being seen talking about the music. Later for the documentary for the making of St. Anger and the 1st album without Jason, they show Jason with Echobrain. In it, you could tell he wanted to make music he had a lot of say in but also could tell he was looking like he felt like he just fucked up leaving Metallica. I always liked Jason. I always thought he was a great fit after Cliff Burton died. I didn't think they could do any better. The movie shows Robert Tujillo auditioning and making the band. He amazes the band by being able to play strictly with fingers and not missing a note while other name brand bass players auditioning were struggling with the hardest parts of the songs. Even though he deserved it and even though I always thought his music was good enough to be in Metallica, it's hard for me to like him. He just doesn't look, act and feel like Metallica to me. But then again, Metallica doesn't seem very much like Metallica to me anymore. I feel like the phases Metallica has been in are closely related to their bass players. Cliff - Classic but raw Metallica Jason - Polished, Peaking and Expanded Horizons Metallica (some of this I also believe to be the worst of Metallica for expanding too far) Jason - Odd Metallica and back to its roots somewhat, really doing whatever they want To be honest, I don't care for early Metallica at all. It's not until Jason recorded with them that I saw any merits to their work. Then again, I don't want music with the bass player only playing the same thing the guitar does. I used to tell people that one guy was the lead bassist for his band because the bass dominated the sound. Bass is an important element of music, that's one reason I don't like sitting beside cars in traffic that are playing rap or something and all you hear is the distortion of the bass vibrating the exterior of the car. I also detest... abhor... loathe.... funk music. I can imagine it would be fun to play, but I can't stand listening to it. df1
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Post by defiant1 on Feb 21, 2010 8:26:29 GMT -5
Wait.. so why did Metallica sue their fans? File sharing online. The story is that they were recording a song in their studio, and over the period of time they were recording the song, versions that had not been finalized were appearing on peer to peer networks. They got pissed off because people were already listening to their song and they weren't even finished with it. Although they made a big deal about music being stolen, the fact is that there had to be an internal security problem for the songs to even make it out to the public. df1
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