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Post by defiant1 on Apr 25, 2010 6:53:08 GMT -5
Its funny that Cyberstrike mentions Pat Lee. I mean, that guy has made his own bed, but the sad part is that Troy, my friend who is working on the ZUDA comic with me just finished doing some great inking work in a 4 issue series called Widow Warriors that Pat drew. This is Troys big break in Comics and all across the net, people are boycotting PAt Lee. Hopefully Troy will get some notice for his solid work even though he is now tied to this guys rep. Regarding Valient, I never thought they did anything particularly noteworthy, except do a good job of bringing back classic characters at a time when people wanted an alternative to the big 2. Yes, I am a fan and I recognise a few of the things they did, but they did not make heroes more heroic. In Fact, Solar destroyed the Universe in issue 10 of his series and had to rebuild it in his image. None of the others were without fault either. They were all good characters though. Shooter did a great job with them, but his complete unwillingness to accept input from others has always been his downfall. I personally think the guy is a smug prick. Thats the impression I got the couple of times that I met him. But, I don't buy the books for him i buy them for the stories. And he is a good writer. With comics changing the way they have been, I think that newer comics to have an impact that Valient had will probably fall into a category that opens the door to a wider range of readers than the followers of Superheroes. time will tell though. Having conversed with a dozen or so people who knew him as friends or coworkers, the range of opinions about Jim is as diverse as the colors of the rainbow. Some praise him. Some say very negative things. It's not always the people you'd expect. Meaning that just because a creator is loyal to him, that doesn't mean they idolize him or think he's perfect. One thing he does do is research topics before he writes on them. Even now he's come up with a way to explain Turok living in the past and having a metal knife blade when no one else does. www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25876I think he may have the same personality type as me. If so it's rare and it's system and planning oriented. You can't just repeat yourself, you have to present your case on a logical and sound foundation. You have to show me or possibly him too that your idea includes something that hasn't already been factored out for a reason. df1
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Post by Wrecks on May 11, 2010 4:33:22 GMT -5
I've never seen myself as being loyal to one brand. Now yes, for years I did mostly collect just Marvel. But that was cause I tended to see more Marvel then I did anything else. With the odd occasional purchase of something outside of Marvel. And now that I'm grown up and see more options. I'm not just sticking to one thing for the most part cause I have too.
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Post by G on May 22, 2010 11:29:34 GMT -5
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Post by cyberstrike on May 22, 2010 12:42:38 GMT -5
Its funny that Cyberstrike mentions Pat Lee. I mean, that guy has made his own bed, but the sad part is that Troy, my friend who is working on the ZUDA comic with me just finished doing some great inking work in a 4 issue series called Widow Warriors that Pat drew. This is Troys big break in Comics and all across the net, people are boycotting PAt Lee. Hopefully Troy will get some notice for his solid work even though he is now tied to this guys rep. Regarding Valient, I never thought they did anything particularly noteworthy, except do a good job of bringing back classic characters at a time when people wanted an alternative to the big 2. Yes, I am a fan and I recognise a few of the things they did, but they did not make heroes more heroic. In Fact, Solar destroyed the Universe in issue 10 of his series and had to rebuild it in his image. None of the others were without fault either. They were all good characters though. Shooter did a great job with them, but his complete unwillingness to accept input from others has always been his downfall. I personally think the guy is a smug prick. Thats the impression I got the couple of times that I met him. But, I don't buy the books for him i buy them for the stories. And he is a good writer. With comics changing the way they have been, I think that newer comics to have an impact that Valient had will probably fall into a category that opens the door to a wider range of readers than the followers of Superheroes. time will tell though. Having conversed with a dozen or so people who knew him as friends or coworkers, the range of opinions about Jim is as diverse as the colors of the rainbow. Some praise him. Some say very negative things. It's not always the people you'd expect. Meaning that just because a creator is loyal to him, that doesn't mean they idolize him or think he's perfect. One thing he does do is research topics before he writes on them. Even now he's come up with a way to explain Turok living in the past and having a metal knife blade when no one else does. www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25876I think he may have the same personality type as me. If so it's rare and it's system and planning oriented. You can't just repeat yourself, you have to present your case on a logical and sound foundation. You have to show me or possibly him too that your idea includes something that hasn't already been factored out for a reason. df1 Look I'm sorry about your friend but Pat Lee is a low life slimeball, and I refuse to support low life slimeballs. If your friend is smart he'll distance himself from Pat Lee in a hurry. I posted something similar to that at valiantfans.com in reguards to the whole Shooter/VEI mess. Now I wasn't trying to praise or damn Shooter, I was just pointing out the fact that are a lot of big name creators that don't like him and don't want to work with him in way, shape, or form. But you're right DF1, talk to 12 different people who worked or know Shooter well and chances are you will get 24 different opinions on the man. I said it once and I'll say it again: Jim Shooter is the Orson Wells of modern comics. Remind me sometime and I'll explain that more in depth.
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Post by G on May 22, 2010 13:10:15 GMT -5
I said it once and I'll say it again: Jim Shooter is the Orson Wells of modern comics. Remind me sometime and I'll explain that more in depth. Reminder....
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Post by cyberstrike on May 23, 2010 8:58:30 GMT -5
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Post by G on May 23, 2010 10:10:19 GMT -5
If there is any group of fans who I may consider as being TOO brand loyal, I'd have to put hard core Valiant fans and Shooter Zombies at the top of the list. As I've said openly many times before, both Valiant and Shooter was great, but in terms of Valiant, the fans almost seem blinded by what was the original pre-Unity stories to where they can't really enjoy anything from today and hang on every shred of Valiant news like their comic life depended on it. And unfortunately it almost appears that Shooter has been type cast because of the wonderful job he did while he was in control of Valiant. People seem far less interested in what he can do elsewhere and only want to see him do Valiant related material. People seem to forget he was well accomplished and capable before and after Valiant and while it's good to see both reunited, I still feel this is primed for disappointment. But if anyone can pull it out, I believe Jim can. I just wish people would move on from Valiant. It's time for something new to be great. Valiant is living in the past. Even if it has a future now. The Valiant Mafia is kinda ugly at times.
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Post by cyberstrike on May 24, 2010 8:02:36 GMT -5
If there is any group of fans who I may consider as being TOO brand loyal, I'd have to put hard core Valiant fans and Shooter Zombies at the top of the list. As I've said openly many times before, both Valiant and Shooter was great, but in terms of Valiant, the fans almost seem blinded by what was the original pre-Unity stories to where they can't really enjoy anything from today and hang on every shred of Valiant news like their comic life depended on it. And unfortunately it almost appears that Shooter has been type cast because of the wonderful job he did while he was in control of Valiant. People seem far less interested in what he can do elsewhere and only want to see him do Valiant related material. People seem to forget he was well accomplished and capable before and after Valiant and while it's good to see both reunited, I still feel this is primed for disappointment. But if anyone can pull it out, I believe Jim can. I just wish people would move on from Valiant. It's time for something new to be great. Valiant is living in the past. Even if it has a future now. The Valiant Mafia is kinda ugly at times. My feeling is that Shooter is a great creator, plotter, and editor but as a writer (in terms of dialoge and pacing) he's dated and cheesy at worse and just barely average at best.
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Post by defiant1 on May 24, 2010 20:23:14 GMT -5
Shooter dialog often makes references that shows he isn't some moron who picked up a pen. Yes, he can toss in a cheesy line now and then or pander to a 15 year old's fantasies with sexual dialog, but for the most part I can't even compare him to most other comic book writers. He simply rambles about stuff most other comic writers are too ignorant to understand.
I remember hearing the word nanotechnology in the Spawn movie and I wondered if the guy who wrote the script even had a clue what he was talking about or if he had just tossed out a word he'd read in a comic book. I'm betting on the latter of the two options.
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Post by cyberstrike on Nov 10, 2010 7:56:25 GMT -5
Shooter dialog often makes references that shows he isn't some moron who picked up a pen. Yes, he can toss in a cheesy line now and then or pander to a 15 year old's fantasies with sexual dialog, but for the most part I can't even compare him to most other comic book writers. He simply rambles about stuff most other comic writers are too ignorant to understand. Mark Waid and Grant Morrison have used the latest science theories in their stories and Waid has openly said that he is a huge science geek. Your point? I first heard about nanotechnolgy from Star Trek: The Next Generation not a comic book.
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