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Post by G on Apr 8, 2009 21:47:59 GMT -5
Who knows what is going on with Captain America?
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Post by G on Sept 26, 2009 10:59:12 GMT -5
I keep seeing headlines of "Captain America Reborn"....
Is Steve Rodgers coming back to life?
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Post by defiant1 on Sept 26, 2009 19:10:48 GMT -5
I keep seeing headlines of "Captain America Reborn".... Is Steve Rodgers coming back to life? Sadly, it's not something I even care about. Defiant1
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Post by G on Sept 26, 2009 21:39:12 GMT -5
Really, I don't care much about it either.
But when I was buying new comics recently, I did feel Captain America was one of the best monthly comics I was reading. Brubaker could tell a fast paced story with cliffhangers and side plots. He was doing great at building drama while I was there. Epting was fast becoming one of my favorite modern artists. Together they were making a comic feel like a movie. Yes, I know they all try to do it. And usually you end up with cheesy stuff that just seems wrong. But Brubaker and Epting truly had a good thing going. Often when characters die, you just know within 6 months the character is going to be back. Especially one as big as Captain America. But this team was making it seem like they had no intention for Steve Rodgers to come back. They were making the life without Cap, very believable. When I was ordering comics, I found myself ordering Captain America each month. One of only 2 or 3 that got the nod without fail. Other comics didn't deserve it to me. But this one did. It felt old school but with new technology and mindset. Far too often its just new school with no respect for old school. This held that old school fun.
Hearing Steve Rodgers is coming back kinda dilutes this period for me. I knew it was going to happen sooner or later. But why create an existence "that" well without him. They had done their work well and made it right to have Captain America live on beyond Steve Rodgers. Why bring him back when they did that well of a job polishing him off and moving on? Can only be one reason I can think of and it dilutes this run of comics in my mind.....
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Post by defiant1 on Sept 27, 2009 6:52:09 GMT -5
Really, I don't care much about it either. But when I was buying new comics recently, I did feel Captain America was one of the best monthly comics I was reading. Brubaker could tell a fast paced story with cliffhangers and side plots. He was doing great at building drama while I was there. Epting was fast becoming one of my favorite modern artists. Together they were making a comic feel like a movie. Yes, I know they all try to do it. And usually you end up with cheesy stuff that just seems wrong. But Brubaker and Epting truly had a good thing going. Often when characters die, you just know within 6 months the character is going to be back. Especially one as big as Captain America. But this team was making it seem like they had no intention for Steve Rodgers to come back. They were making the life without Cap, very believable. When I was ordering comics, I found myself ordering Captain America each month. One of only 2 or 3 that got the nod without fail. Other comics didn't deserve it to me. But this one did. It felt old school but with new technology and mindset. Far too often its just new school with no respect for old school. This held that old school fun. Hearing Steve Rodgers is coming back kinda dilutes this period for me. I knew it was going to happen sooner or later. But why create an existence "that" well without him. They had done their work well and made it right to have Captain America live on beyond Steve Rodgers. Why bring him back when they did that well of a job polishing him off and moving on? Can only be one reason I can think of and it dilutes this run of comics in my mind..... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ I read one Brubaker Cap story with Nomad (or was it an incarnation of Bucky?) and thought it was more sensationalistic crap. I get sick of the "look who we abused" storylines. Killing Cap just made him a loser. I buy superhero comics to see right overcome wrong. If they make me think along the way... great. There is nothing to think about when the hero dies, it's over. I'm not saying I don't idolize any villains or the shades of gray inbetween. Hulk and Nitro are two of my favorite characters. I like characters that that can say "just leave me alone, I'm warning you". For the most part, I don't care anything about negative endings, deaths, hopelessness etc. Life offers plenty enough of that. Defiant1
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Post by G on Sept 27, 2009 11:26:35 GMT -5
Death started being a tired concept for me not long after Claremont and Bryne killed off Phoenix in X-Men #137. But more than I hate the killing of a hero, I hate the coming back after death crap. Heroes dying seem to only be around for increases in sales and once that has wore off, they bring the character back. That is tired to me. I'd rather keep the character alive always or once you die, you die.
The difference I thought with Brubaker's Cap was they actually had Cap's death decently done. And even though I didn't agree with killing him off, it was how they handled it afterwords that made it good. They had it fully laid out that Cap (Steve Rodgers) didn't need to come back. They had made it like he died and everyone moved on. In fact, if they NEVER brought Cap back, this would have been a good way of transitioning after a death and continuing on with a character.
Now that it appears Steve Rodgers IS coming back, this whole 30-40 issue run is totally bunk now. Its like "why bother"? Death is old and unoriginal in comics. But I really felt like when I was reading this, that they had no intentions of bringing Steve Rodgers back. And thats what made this take better than most to me.
Compared to 90% of other new comics I was seeing, Cap was easily one of the best for me. And Im not really a huge Cap fan in the Marvel Universe. He just happened to have the strongest run going at the time to me. The rest of Marvel was totally blowing HUGE Chunks of DUNG!
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Post by defiant1 on Sept 27, 2009 12:38:23 GMT -5
Captain America = Intellectual Property = $$$
They are morons if they don't bring him back in some way shape or form.
Death = Comic Book Stunt
Since the $$$ outweighs the story in all cases, I say just write stories that are more interested in using him than killing him. Is that too difficult?
Defiant1
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Post by G on Sept 27, 2009 19:12:20 GMT -5
They killed him in issue #25. I was around a whole 20 issues after that and it was a good run. The death was long gone.
Its apparent comic companies don't do what we want them to do so either we can quit altogether and never buy new comics or if you want you can pick and choose what you feel is the best out of the vast wasteland of garbage.
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Post by defiant1 on Sept 27, 2009 22:30:34 GMT -5
They killed him in issue #25. I was around a whole 20 issues after that and it was a good run. The death was long gone. Its apparent comic companies don't do what we want them to do so either we can quit altogether and never buy new comics or if you want you can pick and choose what you feel is the best out of the vast wasteland of garbage. I'm not buying any of it. The Clone saga was so bad, I pretty much wrote Marvel off. I've tinkered with a few titles over the years since then, but as far as I'm concerned, my Golden age of comics is the 70's. Defiant1
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Post by G on Sept 29, 2009 0:24:08 GMT -5
They killed him in issue #25. I was around a whole 20 issues after that and it was a good run. The death was long gone. Its apparent comic companies don't do what we want them to do so either we can quit altogether and never buy new comics or if you want you can pick and choose what you feel is the best out of the vast wasteland of garbage. I'm not buying any of it. The Clone saga was so bad, I pretty much wrote Marvel off. I've tinkered with a few titles over the years since then, but as far as I'm concerned, my Golden age of comics is the 70's. Defiant1 My peak years would have to be the late 70's to the mid 80s as well. Those years molded me like no other and have became years I wish were still around in comics. Although I know I'll never relive those years in comics, to me they were very strong years because each comic had its own identity and storyline and flowed from issue to issue very well. It was also before the market boom of the 90s which turned comics on its ear. Although I know I will never find those experiences again and I can appreciate your viewpoint on new comics because I personally at one time in the early part of this decade only wanted to collect back issues and collectibles. I still somehow want to know what is going on now. And even though I have 10 times more gripes about the books of today than good experiences, I continue to hope that something will stand out. Im still personally in search of the next great comic run. And it certainly won't be found in the past. As a comics fan and someone who loves the hobby and has devoted a great deal of my life to it, I will continue to peek into the new comics and hope I find some hidden gems eventually. I could just write off new comics altogether and remain a collector and be perfectly happy that way because I was before. But personally, I continue to hope out of the ashes a new run of comics will rise up one day and be the best thing since Valiant comics. I'm not counting on it, but I can still hope.
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