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Post by G on Oct 15, 2009 18:50:17 GMT -5
Self explanatory poll
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Post by defiant1 on Oct 16, 2009 21:26:06 GMT -5
Dumb Hulk...
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Post by cyberstrike on Nov 15, 2009 11:36:58 GMT -5
Smart Hulk. The stories were a million times better and nowhere near as repetitive.
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Post by G on Nov 15, 2009 20:08:53 GMT -5
Smart Hulk. The stories were a million times better and nowhere near as repetitive. Although I understand that, the problem I have with it is that even if you say the stories got better which they may have, I found I cared less about the character itself. I mean it was almost like it wasn't the Hulk anymore and it was some other character. It's almost like if Wolverine was suddenly passive, would that be cool? Sure, the stories might be great, but in reality, it isn't the same character. |
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Post by bigw1966 on Aug 1, 2010 15:01:43 GMT -5
Wolverine was passive in Old Man Logan and it was bad assed.
I like when the Hulk goes through personality shifts myself.
It has to be done to open up more story Ideas.
I didn't vote because that was not a choice.
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Post by cyberstrike on Aug 19, 2010 10:27:54 GMT -5
Smart Hulk. The stories were a million times better and nowhere near as repetitive. Although I understand that, the problem I have with it is that even if you say the stories got better which they may have, I found I cared less about the character itself. I mean it was almost like it wasn't the Hulk anymore and it was some other character. It's almost like if Wolverine was suddenly passive, would that be cool? Sure, the stories might be great, but in reality, it isn't the same character. No, it's the same character. People change and I believe that characters have to change with the times too. Peter David was given a title that NO one else wanted and a lot of people thought the book would be canceled, in about 6 months. He turned it around and believe me the smart Hulk was not a passive wimp, (for example check out The Incredible Hulk #390-#392 and X-Factor #76). If anything he actually was a bigger and more scary bad ass monster than ever before, the difference was that he knew what he was doing and he was able to articulate his beliefs, joke around, and oh yeah he still had a very violent temper (persoanlly I think his temper was actually worse as smart Hulk than as dumb Hulk). Just because he was smart didn't mean he couldn't be manipulated by others, because he was by the Parthenon's leader, the army, government officials, Betty, Rick and Marlo, his own rouge gallery of villains, and by his emotions. |
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Post by G on Aug 19, 2010 11:33:12 GMT -5
Although I understand that, the problem I have with it is that even if you say the stories got better which they may have, I found I cared less about the character itself. I mean it was almost like it wasn't the Hulk anymore and it was some other character. It's almost like if Wolverine was suddenly passive, would that be cool? Sure, the stories might be great, but in reality, it isn't the same character. No, it's the same character. People change and I believe that characters have to change with the times too. Peter David was given a title that NO one else wanted and a lot of people thought the book would be canceled, in about 6 months. He turned it around and believe me the smart Hulk was not a passive wimp, (for example check out The Incredible Hulk #390-#392 and X-Factor #76). If anything he actually was a bigger and more scary bad ass monster than ever before, the difference was that he knew what he was doing and he was able to articulate his beliefs, joke around, and oh yeah he still had a very violent temper (persoanlly I think his temper was actually worse as smart Hulk than as dumb Hulk). Just because he was smart didn't mean he couldn't be manipulated by others, because he was by the Parthenon's leader, the army, government officials, Betty, Rick and Marlo, his own rouge gallery of villains, and by his emotions. I never said Hulk was passive. I was giving a what if scenario where what if Wolverine was passive. I have to say I never read enough of the modern Hulk to give a real honest opinion on him. So I guess I have to claim more ignorance than anything. He just didn't appeal to me as much as he did before. But that is just a preference of mine. I appreciate fans like the newer smarter Hulk better. I understand that. I wish I shared their passion for it. I guess if I ever landed a big collection of them and sat down and read a run of them, I might get there. But as it is now, I haven't. So out of more ignorance than anything else and what few issues I did see and read, I enjoyed dumb Hulk better. Smart Hulk is probably better in larger runs. |
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Post by bigw1966 on Aug 20, 2010 9:22:36 GMT -5
Smart Hulk isn't new. He has been around since the mid 80's. Not to mention the other personality shifts he has had, like Joe Fixit.
also, In the original 6 issues, he was not dumb. However he was not as smart as Bruce Banner but he did have Intellegence He was more like a Hood or a low level thug.
It was later that he became basically a raging ID.
Read old man Logan Tom. That was a pretty cool story.
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Post by cyberstrike on Aug 20, 2010 12:23:16 GMT -5
No, it's the same character. People change and I believe that characters have to change with the times too. Peter David was given a title that NO one else wanted and a lot of people thought the book would be canceled, in about 6 months. He turned it around and believe me the smart Hulk was not a passive wimp, (for example check out The Incredible Hulk #390-#392 and X-Factor #76). If anything he actually was a bigger and more scary bad ass monster than ever before, the difference was that he knew what he was doing and he was able to articulate his beliefs, joke around, and oh yeah he still had a very violent temper (personally I think his temper was actually worse as smart Hulk than as dumb Hulk). Just because he was smart didn't mean he couldn't be manipulated by others, because he was by the Parthenon's leader, the army, government officials, Betty, Rick and Marlo, his own rouge gallery of villains, and by his emotions. I never said Hulk was passive. I was giving a what if scenario where what if Wolverine was passive. I have to say I never read enough of the modern Hulk to give a real honest opinion on him. So I guess I have to claim more ignorance than anything. He just didn't appeal to me as much as he did before. But that is just a preference of mine. I appreciate fans like the newer smarter Hulk better. I understand that. I wish I shared their passion for it. I guess if I ever landed a big collection of them and sat down and read a run of them, I might get there. But as it is now, I haven't. So out of more ignorance than anything else and what few issues I did see and read, I enjoyed dumb Hulk better. Smart Hulk is probably better in larger runs. I know a lot of fans like you but when David brought the savage Hulk back a lot them NOW actually preferred the smart Hulk over the savage Hulk. My advice is try out Incredible Hulk Visionaries Peter David TPBs there are about 7 of them out now reprinting about 1/3 of his run (I think vols 6 and 7 actually introduce the smart Hulk), or check out X-Factor Visionaries Peter David vol. 2 which reprints the 3 issues I mentioned, (his brief run on the early 90s X-Factor is really great too). Smart Hulk isn't new. He has been around since the mid 80's. Not to mention the other personality shifts he has had, like Joe Fixit. also, In the original 6 issues, he was not dumb. However he was not as smart as Bruce Banner but he did have Intellegence He was more like a Hood or a low level thug. It was later that he became basically a raging ID. Read old man Logan Tom. That was a pretty cool story. From what I read of and know about it David did not start the book without with the savage green Hulk. It was Al Milgrim who had brought the Grey Hulk back and told Marvel he would only do the series for about six issues as a favor to the company but that he wasn't interested in staying beyond 6 issues. It's almost 50 issues after David gets the book (#324) to the point where the smart Hulk debuts (#377). So it wasn't something he did right off the bat. |
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Post by AC on Jan 28, 2014 1:10:17 GMT -5
The Peter David run on Hulk is one of my comic book comfort foods. Something I read at least once a year (along with the Giffen/DeMatteis JLI).
Definitely enjoy a smarter Hulk. Was very disappointed by the John Byrne reboot back in the late 90's. It was as though the PAD run didn't happen. Hell, I was disappointed by some of the post-Pantheon era PAD Hulk for the savagery.
I've heard some criticisms of the PAD run, and while many of them are valid (PAD was just writing a green Superman during the merged/Professor arc, for example) I still love it.
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