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Post by bigw1966 on Dec 28, 2010 11:23:07 GMT -5
so Marvel has finally brought the big guns to TV. so far 16 episodes have been produced and each one gets better than the previous one. This show mixs elements of the 616 version and the Ultimate version. It also ties in things from many years of the books history. Overall, this is the best acheivment in Marvel animation to date. In fact, from a personal standpoint, this is animated perfection. Here is part one of the first episode. to watch the rest, go to youtube and type in the title of this thread. All of the episodes are broken down into multiple parts. Enjoy. www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9sqihQZDk0 |
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Post by defiant1 on Dec 28, 2010 13:48:15 GMT -5
so Marvel has finally brought the big guns to TV. so far 16 episodes have been produced and each one gets better than the previous one. This show mixs elements of the 616 version and the Ultimate version. It also ties in things from many years of the books history. Overall, this is the best acheivment in Marvel animation to date. In fact, from a personal standpoint, this is animated perfection. Here is part one of the first episode. to watch the rest, go to youtube and type in the title of this thread. All of the episodes are broken down into multiple parts. Enjoy. www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9sqihQZDk0The animation is horrible and it's a tad bit overdramatic. I find it tedious to watch. On a side note, why are superheroes all drawn with their butt tucked in and their chest poked out? It looks like they are trying to flaunt their homosexuality. It makes me miss the 'taking a shit' expression that Liefeld used to draw. I reeeeally don't like it. It's not how people stand. Bad asses don't have to flaunt their masculinity. They live it. df1 |
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Post by bigw1966 on Dec 28, 2010 14:22:41 GMT -5
Yes but in comics that is how people stand. Like a bunch of tightasses with their chests sticking out. Its called over-exageration, comics are all about that.
As for the animation. sorry but in my opinion is is suitable for a daytime cartoon. Animation will never look like comic art. And do not site anime either since 90% of the images in a manga cartoon are still images with a moving background.
Also, As the show progresses, not only does the art improve but the writing on the show is really good.
Some of the standout episodes are the Thor episode and the One with Cap in WWII The Black Panther one and the one where they fight the Masters of Evil.
But really they are all pretty good.
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Post by defiant1 on Dec 28, 2010 15:46:39 GMT -5
Yes but in comics that is how people stand. Like a bunch of tightasses with their chests sticking out. Its called over-exageration, comics are all about that. As for the animation. sorry but in my opinion is is suitable for a daytime cartoon. Animation will never look like comic art. And do not site anime either since 90% of the images in a manga cartoon are still images with a moving background. Also, As the show progresses, not only does the art improve but the writing on the show is really good. Some of the standout episodes are the Thor episode and the One with Cap in WWII The Black Panther one and the one where they fight the Masters of Evil. But really they are all pretty good. Comic heroes had big muscular chests, but they did not stand around like they had a corn cob firmly shoved up their ass. That has started in the past 20 years. It doesn't look tough or macho. It looks gay. I think Bruce Timm's art is the worst. I can't stand looking at anything he draws. Also, I grew up on animation that was far more like comics than anything you see today. Any 60's and 70's animation looks better that this stylized crap they try to pump out. Does Thor really need huge blonde eyebrows? Does that make him look more real? No. The dramatic music is serious overkill. About 5 minutes is all I can take looking at gay superheroes preening around on the screen. df1 |
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Post by bigw1966 on Dec 28, 2010 18:52:43 GMT -5
Yeah I liked me some hanna & Barbara toons myself. But honestly, not all of that stuff looks as good today. It still rocks, but I have Johnny Quest, The Herculoids, Space Ghost and even Thundarr the Barbarian on DVD. Nostalgia only goes so far.
But instead of saying five minutes is all you can stand, you should at least watch a full episode. They fight Graviton in the second half of this episode and its pretty epic. This show is the Avengers that WE grew up on. I mean, they have gone back to the well and gotten some good stuff and also have done a good job of intermixing it with some of the modern stuff, like Fury and all of the Prisons experiencing a breakout with 78 villains.
Cap doesn't even appear until episode 4. Just like the comic. He even kicks all their asses.
the art style in this is very remeniscent of Batman Beyond which was a good show.
As for Bruce Timm, his work was alright. What he did right though was get the ball rolling on the modern era of doing these things which is good for us.
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Post by defiant1 on Dec 28, 2010 21:24:41 GMT -5
Yeah I liked me some hanna & Barbara toons myself. But honestly, not all of that stuff looks as good today. It still rocks, but I have Johnny Quest, The Herculoids, Space Ghost and even Thundarr the Barbarian on DVD. Nostalgia only goes so far. But instead of saying five minutes is all you can stand, you should at least watch a full episode. They fight Graviton in the second half of this episode and its pretty epic. This show is the Avengers that WE grew up on. I mean, they have gone back to the well and gotten some good stuff and also have done a good job of intermixing it with some of the modern stuff, like Fury and all of the Prisons experiencing a breakout with 78 villains. Cap doesn't even appear until episode 4. Just like the comic. He even kicks all their asses. the art style in this is very remeniscent of Batman Beyond which was a good show. As for Bruce Timm, his work was alright. What he did right though was get the ball rolling on the modern era of doing these things which is good for us. I listen to that whole first clip. I watched some, but popped open a window on top of it after seeing the poor rendition of Bruce Banner and Doc Samson. I could still hear the audio and when I closed the other window I watched the end of the clip. I may be different than other comic fans, but I like seeing the down time and the heroes life when they interact with family and friends. The real high strung stuff with them always pounding on a villain or talking intense takes away from the balance of a good story. That's one of the resons I was upset when Gwen Stacy originally died in the comic. I like those old Werner Roth X-Men issues where Hank and Bobby are out on the town with their girlfriends at the coffee house having fun. I haven't seen any modern Marvel cartoons that kept me interested very long. The animation being so poor is the main reason. I don't tend to lower my standards or lower my expectations when I see a higher quality products out there. I raise my standards. I'd honestly rather watch the old B&W Popeye cartoons. df1 |
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Post by G on Dec 29, 2010 0:09:45 GMT -5
I was watching you guys mutter about this as I was at work. Naturally I couldn't see the video until I got home. I just watched the 1/2 episode and my feelings were all over the place but namely, it was where I expected them to be.
While I'll admit some of the shots and feel was cool, I found myself feeling much like DF1 while watching this. Let me 1st admit, I'm not much on superhero cartoons either. I was never one to watch Batman or the X-Men or any of those other cartoons. As much as I absolutely LOVE comic books, I've never been a fan of comic cartoons. For that matter I'm a very hard sale on Comic Movies as well. I'm not one to feel like "I gotta go see that" every time a comic movie comes out. To be honest, I've missed more comic movies than I've actually seen.
To me nothing plays a comic book like a real comic book done well. The problem I feel with superhero cartoons I find is....well.....they're cartoons and they play like cartoons. I don't know about you, but when I read a good comic, my minds eye ain't playing comics out like this.....
I don't have the cheesy music going on in my head. I don't have all the macho bravado these guys have. I don't hear the silly one liners. I don't feel everyone acting totally nonchalant and witty acting. To me a good comic book comes across with people like you and me in exceptional situations. And they are going to act much like we would except they just have powers we don't. Sorta like Reed Richards was just a brainy dude but he could stretch. I didn't see him as this guy with all this machoness. Shit, I don't even picture Wolverine with as much gay-ballsiness as these cartoons have. When Chris Claremont and John Byrne had it, I pictured him in my mind as a regular cool dude who could kick ass when the times were necessary. To me Wolverine lost all his appeal even in comics when he just became constant Wolverine. What made Wolverine cool to me was his love for Mariko and his lust for Jean Grey.
I think I dug the statement DF1 said about the normal moments between characters were where the real characterization takes place. Spider-man isn't so great just being Spider-man, but intertwining with Peter Parker and his situations made him more believable. My mind always picture me thinking I know people like this.
Cartoons come off like I don't know any of them. Yes, those are good representations of Thor acting all Asgardian and shit and Iron Man acting all Tony Starky....so as far as the cartoon aspects of it, I guess it's okay. But when I think comics being translated in cartoons, my mind doesn't see it quite this way at all. And since I don't see it this way when I read comics, they just haven't never much appealed to me as cartoons. I have to make believe I like my comic characters this way and picture them all macho and noble music playing and witty and shit and in reality, I don't. I don't want witty nonchalant sub-characters either. I want people I can believe. I can't believe real people act that way and thats why it doesn't work for me.
But, as far as cartoons go....eh, it wasn't bad. Just not my bag. I can't hardly ever remember liking a cartoon superhero. The comics when done good are just plain better.
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Post by defiant1 on Dec 29, 2010 0:43:41 GMT -5
I was watching you guys mutter about this as I was at work. Naturally I couldn't see the video until I got home. I just watched the 1/2 episode and my feelings were all over the place but namely, it was where I expected them to be. While I'll admit some of the shots and feel was cool, I found myself feeling much like DF1 while watching this. Let me 1st admit, I'm not much on superhero cartoons either. I was never one to watch Batman or the X-Men or any of those other cartoons. As much as I absolutely LOVE comic books, I've never been a fan of comic cartoons. For that matter I'm a very hard sale on Comic Movies as well. I'm not one to feel like "I gotta go see that" every time a comic movie comes out. To be honest, I've missed more comic movies than I've actually seen. To me nothing plays a comic book like a real comic book done well. The problem I feel with superhero cartoons I find is....well.....they're cartoons and they play like cartoons. I don't know about you, but when I read a good comic, my minds eye ain't playing comics out like this..... I don't have the cheesy music going on in my head. I don't have all the macho bravado these guys have. I don't hear the silly one liners. I don't feel everyone acting totally nonchalant and witty acting. To me a good comic book comes across with people like you and me in exceptional situations. And they are going to act much like we would except they just have powers we don't. Sorta like Reed Richards was just a brainy dude but he could stretch. I didn't see him as this guy with all this machoness. Shit, I don't even picture Wolverine with as much gay-ballsiness as these cartoons have. When Chris Claremont and John Byrne had it, I pictured him in my mind as a regular cool dude who could kick ass when the times were necessary. To me Wolverine lost all his appeal even in comics when he just became constant Wolverine. What made Wolverine cool to me was his love for Mariko and his lust for Jean Grey. I think I dug the statement DF1 said about the normal moments between characters were where the real characterization takes place. Spider-man isn't so great just being Spider-man, but intertwining with Peter Parker and his situations made him more believable. My mind always picture me thinking I know people like this. Cartoons come off like I don't know any of them. Yes, those are good representations of Thor acting all Asgardian and shit and Iron Man acting all Tony Starky....so as far as the cartoon aspects of it, I guess it's okay. But when I think comics being translated in cartoons, my mind doesn't see it quite this way at all. And since I don't see it this way when I read comics, they just haven't never much appealed to me as cartoons. I have to make believe I like my comic characters this way and picture them all macho and noble music playing and witty and shit and in reality, I don't. I don't want witty nonchalant sub-characters either. I want people I can believe. I can't believe real people act that way and thats why it doesn't work for me. But, as far as cartoons go....eh, it wasn't bad. Just not my bag. I can't hardly ever remember liking a cartoon superhero. The comics when done good are just plain better. I did like the X-Men cartoon years back. Rogue had a really sexy voice.  df1 |
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Post by cyberstrike on Dec 29, 2010 9:50:41 GMT -5
But, as far as cartoons go....eh, it wasn't bad. Just not my bag. I can't hardly ever remember liking a cartoon superhero. The comics when done good are just plain better. Trust me when I say that Batman: The Animated Series, The New Adventures of Batman and Robin, Batman Beyond, Superman: The Animated Series, Justice League and Justice League Unlimited is the kind of stories is what DCE's comics division should be doing because if they did nobody would think Superman is a pussy, Aquaman is a joke, The Question and The Huntress are lame, and Wonder Woman, The Legion of Doom, Supergirl, Captain Atom, and Captain Marvel are all out of date. They simply are some of the best superhero series in any media (live action TV or movie, comic, or cartoon) that been done in the past 10-20 years. |
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Post by bigw1966 on Dec 29, 2010 10:06:57 GMT -5
Way to much thought into how a spandex character should act.
Now granted, this is the first episode, so it is dealing with the setup, but as far as normal character building moments, there was one in there. Thor and Jane foster sitting at the Cafe'. He is trying to explain about the Odin sleep and she points out that he needs to stop running from his father and be there for his people. which is what is intrinsic to Thors character, Humility. Looking beyond himself.
The other thing is that this IS how the characters act in the comics. Over the Top. They have to be they dress in colorful costumes and have superpowers.
These are written by Marvel Writers though.
I don't know what they sound like in your head "G", but in my head they sound all serious about everything and have it dialed up to 11 most of the time.
Sort of like my wife, everything is some epic calamity. LOL.
I love animation. I would like to do it for a living if possible. Having watched all of the episodes, I have seen much of the characterization that is there for the characters, and they really delve into all of them.
The other thing, is that this is a 30 minute ACTION show. It is geared towards kids. That is the primary audience there is just enough there that older people who are fans of the comics can enjoy them also.
I liked the old X-MEN cartoon also. It had inconsistent animation, but it like the Avengers, was a good compliment to the comics.
I don't rush out to see new Superhero films either, unless I have researched them through reliable sources. But, those are the types of things I am willing to pay to see on the big screen. Movies are just to damn expensive now, so I want spectical when I go to them.
The Thor episode is what sold it for me. I am a big fan of Thor and I felt they did a great job with invoking Kirby and presenting Asgard.
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