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Post by G on Aug 23, 2012 11:29:54 GMT -5
This said it all when you talk about the current state of comics when this is a goal.
Robert Liefeld @robertliefeld
Personal goal of 13issues in 13 months was achieved at DC. September to September.
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Post by defiant1 on Aug 23, 2012 20:17:00 GMT -5
This said it all when you talk about the current state of comics when this is a goal. Robert Liefeld @robertliefeld Personal goal of 13issues in 13 months was achieved at DC. September to September. A comic professional today is the equivalent of and indy wannabe in the 70's. df1
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Post by defiant1 on Aug 24, 2012 18:14:12 GMT -5
This said it all when you talk about the current state of comics when this is a goal. Robert Liefeld @robertliefeld Personal goal of 13 issues in 13 months was achieved at DC. September to September. I don't know who this artists is, but this web page reminded me of your thread here. www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=928217&GSub=51994df1
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Post by defiant1 on Aug 25, 2012 13:26:55 GMT -5
This said it all when you talk about the current state of comics when this is a goal. Robert Liefeld @robertliefeld Personal goal of 13issues in 13 months was achieved at DC. September to September. Rob announced that he's quit DC. Rob also reportedly stated that editors work for the creators. That's an ignorant image way of thinking. df1
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Post by G on Aug 25, 2012 16:15:49 GMT -5
This said it all when you talk about the current state of comics when this is a goal. Robert Liefeld @robertliefeld Personal goal of 13issues in 13 months was achieved at DC. September to September. Rob announced that he's quit DC. Rob also reportedly stated that editors work for the creators. That's an ignorant image way of thinking. df1 I seen that quote and almost copied and pasted it here. I also thought it was ignorant and cried out about the 20 year problem comics has experienced. The mentality that someone who is given the authority over what you draw somehow works for you is amazing. I still believe til this day that the creators who founded Image is one of the worst things to ever happen to comics. Before then the talent respected editors. Now they think they are above everything including the finished product. I still believe the old way of comics following a chain of command is better than today's way of I'm a star you'll like what I do mentality. Comics have suffered for this ever since. The fact he left DC over not agreeing with all their changes kind of shows the dysfunctional atmosphere at comic companies today. No-one with any real leadership and vision is in place. The asylum runs amuck. The finish product is sub par. The readership declines. And yet no one calls them out. Every time I say something on Twitter I typically have some dick sucker imploring to me that such and such a person or book is kicking ass. I really don't believe the average collector or reader knows what kick ass comics reall y are. They are dazzled by a few posed shotsand over colored glossy pages. Then someone of stature can make a statement like this and no one bats an eye. It's no wonder we have lost hope for our industry. I almost get passed when the old timers like Lee, Perez, Byrne, Ditko, Shooter, etc don't speak out against the current state of the industry. It happens in other industries. But comics are full of spineless wusses. They truly deserve to die when you see asinine statements like that one.
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Post by defiant1 on Aug 25, 2012 21:40:08 GMT -5
Rob announced that he's quit DC. Rob also reportedly stated that editors work for the creators. That's an ignorant image way of thinking. df1 I seen that quote and almost copied and pasted it here. I also thought it was ignorant and cried out about the 20 year problem comics has experienced. The mentality that someone who is given the authority over what you draw somehow works for you is amazing. I still believe til this day that the creators who founded Image is one of the worst things to ever happen to comics. Before then the talent respected editors. Now they think they are above everything including the finished product. I still believe the old way of comics following a chain of command is better than today's way of I'm a star you'll like what I do mentality. Comics have suffered for this ever since. The fact he left DC over not agreeing with all their changes kind of shows the dysfunctional atmosphere at comic companies today. No-one with any real leadership and vision is in place. The asylum runs amuck. The finish product is sub par. The readership declines. And yet no one calls them out. Every time I say something on Twitter I typically have some dick sucker imploring to me that such and such a person or book is kicking ass. I really don't believe the average collector or reader knows what kick ass comics reall y are. They are dazzled by a few posed shotsand over colored glossy pages. Then someone of stature can make a statement like this and no one bats an eye. It's no wonder we have lost hope for our industry. I almost get passed when the old timers like Lee, Perez, Byrne, Ditko, Shooter, etc don't speak out against the current state of the industry. It happens in other industries. But comics are full of spineless wusses. They truly deserve to die when you see asinine statements like that one. Obviously, it's possible for a creative mind to grasp what you just said and strive towards something better. The problem is that the current structure and people in place nurture mediocrity. Sometimes you have to give up on something so that the silent people with a spine accept they have to do something and a better product is in their court. If those creators are 'getting by', they'll keep delivering mediocrity. As I collect scans of Charlton covers, I'm stunned at how much better the art is on them compared to the comics coming out today. The art is clear, clean, and concise. It conveys a message. It gives you a hint about what is inside. It serves the function it is intended to serve. This is the same company that a 12 year old me deemed inadequate in comparison to Marvel. Hell, I considered 90% of the DC product inadequate. Essentially, the comics coming out today are something a 12 year old me would not have deemed acceptable. The cost is (I've looked over my math... this can't be correct... sheesh) 1995% markup. When I started buying comics, they were 20¢. I know prices on almost everything have gone up, but I could buy 20 comics for the price of one today. Four discarded coke bottles in the trash could get me one comic. Well, it took 5 to pay tax, but new comics were easy to get. You had to work a little, but they were affordable. Creators knew they'd better pack a lot of story and art into one comic if they wanted to get the sale. You had to do it consistently if you wanted to get repeat sales. DC and Charlton were hurting back then. Now we have a situation that is worse than what Charlton and DC were producing with capable artists back then. The prices are marked up so much that they can just play on the stupidity of a few to get enough sales to publish anything. It's a struggle, but the prima donnas are willing to write or draw anything to keep a paycheck rolling in. What baffles me is this concept that new consumers like the quality and pacing of new comics. They like buying a comic and having no idea who the character is or what they are facing? They like buying a comic titled Silver Surfer that has Silver Surfer on maybe 5 pages and he's doing nothing? The story is about some lady on the street! They like seeing the same panel drawn 5 times on a page (Morning Glories) with virtually no action and no noteworthy dialogue. In all honesty, anyone who "likes" comics like these has very low expectations. In all honesty, I see the fans of this stuff as being mentally deficient. Yes, I'm insulting a lot of the people who will stray onto this messageboard, but that's exactly the way I feel. I'm convinced that sentimentality keeps you and me thinking about comics. It keeps a lot of the consumers buying comics. They remember what they liked and they superimpose those feelings over any comic that makes them curious or can tap those memories. In that sense, consumers stick to creators they once trusted or people who remind them of creators they once liked. Geoff Johns and Brubaker open the door to fond memories by bringing back forgotten characters or past events. They shit a few words onto paper, let characters Nomad die of AIDS and walk around like they contributed something constructive to the mythos. When reality sets in and they alienate a few consumers... they erase it all and pretend like none of it happened. It is after all fiction. If 10 stories weren't good, just pretend like it never happened and they'll try again an 11th time. All it takes is tapping into that sentimentality just once, and the simple-minded are forgiving. Of course Rob Liefeld never was good. It doesn't matter, kids saw him on TV commercials when they were little and it made the comics they owned just a little bit cooler. They owned comics made by a celebrity. Rob introduced new derivative characters that reminded them of characters they liked. 1st appearances always go up in value... right? So now superhero comics are so fucked up that a lame ass B-movie theme about zombies becomes the hottest comic out there. A concept so stale and stupid that you couldn't even pay me enough to sit down and read a TPB collection. I'd rather look at thirty-two pages of dogs farting in the mud. No amount of drama or intrigue makes a zombie story interesting to me. You build a story on shit and it just sinks into the shit. So yeah, I've resigned myself to the fact that anyone left buying comics will get insulted by me at some point. Modern comics are worse than comics I rejected as a 12 year old. My standards are higher now. I gave the publishers and creators the benefit of the doubt for about 8 years. I experimented. I tried diverse themes and styles. All I expected was one gem to stand out in the crowd and shine. A few things sparkled, but the mainstream stuff wallowed in their own shit and comics were catered to morons. The good stuff either never got publicity, or it turned to shit after it did get publicity. Companies like Avatar came along and converted decent titles into softcore porn. Creators moved on to greener pastures making money in commercial art, mainstream publications, and advertising. The good stuff just sunk into the shit and became lost. At some point, you just have to give up and let the silent people who care stand up and be a voice of their own. df1
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Post by G on Apr 24, 2013 0:54:05 GMT -5
I dont know why this bothered me so much. Perhaps because I think Larson comes across as a complete cock to me on Twitter and always has. But its also seems more to me like it doesn't have so much to do with Larson, but moreso the audacity that anytning that came before never applies to them.
Do you like page numbers or not? I used them for a bit but@RobertKirkman said it made him too aware that the end of the story was coming.1:28am - 24 Apr 13 Erik Larson.
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Post by defiant1 on Apr 24, 2013 22:08:14 GMT -5
So Kirkman doesn't like people realizing that they are getting ripped off on page count? Of course he doesn't.
df1
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