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Post by defiant1 on Feb 5, 2011 14:20:31 GMT -5
Hey I like Rasberry Zingers. they're the bomb. This thread gave me the idea of putting rasberry zingers in front of twat and eating it up! That would look phallic. I also eat Nutty Bars and tell people I just pulled them out of my @ss. I am so tactful in crowds. df1
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Post by defiant1 on Feb 5, 2011 14:31:10 GMT -5
Hey I like Rasberry Zingers. they're the bomb. when I think of fantasy, I think Lord of the Rings, wheel of Time, Harry Potter and that ilk. when I think of Science Fiction, I think of Star Wars and Star Trek, Gattica, Foundation, discworld and damn near every superhero title ever published. When in elementary school, I used to walk across the street to a Majik Mart, and buy Zingers and comic books, then walk a mile home munching on the Zingers. It's hard to believe they've been around that long. The best Science Fiction is that which adheres to the most Science fact. I took a Science Fiction class in high school. That is the main concept I walked away from that class obtaining. If you were reading Science Fiction and the moon was made of cheese, that would fall into more a category of fantasy since we know the moon is not made of cheese. The first Star wars Movie (Episode 4) leans more towards fantasy and that's why I'll never be a Star Wars geek. It's a stretch to call it Science Fiction other than the robots and space ships. Much of ST:TNG is flat out drama set in space. The science come in the form of the setting and the techno-babble they had tossed in after the writer wrote the main script. ST:TNG is barely passable as Science Fiction in my opinion. It again leans towards fantasy. I much prefer a movie like Contact that is both thought provoking and sticks pretty close to known science and mathematics. df1
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Post by G on Feb 5, 2011 15:45:01 GMT -5
Not sticking out of it. I meant like a Maxipad. Geez!!!
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Post by defiant1 on Feb 5, 2011 18:44:28 GMT -5
Not sticking out of it. I meant like a Maxipad. Geez!!! You say that now. I hope I never see internet pictures of you eating the creme off of a strap on chocolate or vanilla Zinger. df1
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Post by defiant1 on Feb 5, 2011 18:50:19 GMT -5
I call tapioca pudding "maggot pudding".
I take black olives and circle my thumb and finger around the curve. I walk up to people and say "What kind of beetle is this?" When they start to squint and look more closely, I pop it in my mouth and say... "mmmm... tastes good."
df1
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Post by bigw1966 on Feb 6, 2011 9:50:25 GMT -5
"G" please do not EVER compare the delightful Rasberry Zinger with a MAXI pad again.
Defiant, Science Fiction primarily comments on the world of today with ideals that would appeal to the future. However, All science Fiction is Dramatic, and should be. Gattica which i sited previously is a film about a society that is so focused on perfection to the point of genetic manipulation, that it creates an entirely new class war where people with ability are overlooked because of their position in society. Its a solid and extremely well acted and thought out film.
I can agree to an extent about Star Wars being a Fantasy. but only in somuch as the adventure part of it. The thing that originally set it apart, is that it was dirty. Up until then, all sci/Fi films were clean and antisseptic. everything was shiny. Star Wars made it feel like it could easily be us. If you look at the world now, surrounded by technology as we are, nothing is bright and shiny. quite the opposite, everything is more run down and neglected.
good science fiction, or Fantasy for that matter should make you think. It should fill you with a sense of wonder or hit upon themes that affect the wider population. for example, the Lord of the rings was Tolkien's commentary on the then "new" industrialization of the world and how it was moving man further away from nature and creating an imbalance through destruction all while promising to build a better tomorrow. (man-vs-nature, man-vs-himself, man-vs-man, man-vs-machine) all of these primary plot foundations which make up almost all stories in some capacity are represented fully here.
I am currently reading the epic fantaasy The Wheel of time series by robert Jordan who is unarguably the best writer of Conan that is not robert E. howard. Aside from the magic aspects, its very reflective of our world and the variety of different cultures and how we interact with them. A really good series.
Contact was good, but it was more drama than science fiction. they just put it in a science setting.
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Post by cyberstrike on Feb 6, 2011 14:46:19 GMT -5
"G" please do not EVER compare the delightful Rasberry Zinger with a MAXI pad again. Defiant, Science Fiction primarily comments on the world of today with ideals that would appeal to the future. However, All science Fiction is Dramatic, and should be. Gattica which i sited previously is a film about a society that is so focused on perfection to the point of genetic manipulation, that it creates an entirely new class war where people with ability are overlooked because of their position in society. Its a solid and extremely well acted and thought out film. Or re-imagined Battlestar Galactica. It dealt with several real world themes including: AI, religion, monotheism vs. polytheism, abortion, terrorism, what does it mean to be "human", war crimes, and more. It didn't get bogged down in technobabble. Blade Runner, Alien, and Aliens were the one that really did that more and better that Star Wars IV ever did. Exactly. For me great sci-fi and fantasy that make me think about our world. The science itself can be great addition or just window dressing for all I care. When I played Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, and Dragon Age: Origins I was surprised by the amount of social commentary that these games explored ranging from: religion vs. atheism, do the ends justify the means, same sex relationships, women in command in the military, are AIs alive, tolerance and learning about other cultures and how to interact with them in peace, and more.
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Post by defiant1 on Feb 6, 2011 18:46:20 GMT -5
Contact was good, but it was more drama than science fiction. they just put it in a science setting. Give me a break. Contact sunk into conceptual ideas of how a wormhole could be created. How communication might occur across extreme distances. The drama focus on how people might relate to the specific sciences explored. It confronted pure science vs. religion and faith. It is the complete opposite of later Star Trek seasons like the Next Generation & Voyager. Later Star Trek episodes are more about He said/She said crap. Ryker being in love with someone. The klingon being a warrior. A boy growing up on a Starship. Tolkein and Howard.... pure fantasy. I was rolling my eyes through the last Harry Potter movie I saw. The spells only work when the story wants them to work. They can't explain why they weren't able to use all their spells 2 hours earlier in the plot. The deeper meaning you say it has is buried in the miraculous convenience of the solution they had all along. df1
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Post by cyberstrike on Feb 7, 2011 13:03:25 GMT -5
Contact was good, but it was more drama than science fiction. they just put it in a science setting. Give me a break. Contact sunk into conceptual ideas of how a wormhole could be created. How communication might occur across extreme distances. The drama focus on how people might relate to the specific sciences explored. It confronted pure science vs. religion and faith. It is the complete opposite of later Star Trek seasons like the Next Generation & Voyager. Later Star Trek episodes are more about He said/She said crap. Ryker being in love with someone. The klingon being a warrior. A boy growing up on a Starship. As a movie, I thought Contact was dull and in the end it was basically Jodie Foster meets God, which was a major turn-off for me. I don't recall them ever explaining how the science of creating a wormhole worked (and if they did it was certainly no better than Star Trek or Dr. Who for that matter) in a way that made sense. The Mass Effect Relays in the Mass Effect video games make more sense. And for the record: Riker married Troi in Star Trek: Nemesis. Not all Klingons are warriors as was shown on various episodes of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Trek: Voyager, and Star Trek: Enterprise. Wes Crusher was a teenager and not a boy and a character that no one liked except Gene Roddenberry even the actor who played him hated him. Star Trek: Voyager had a half-alien/half-human girl growing up on the ship and some teenage Borg drone that Janeway and Seven freed, but they were supporting characters and neither one were nowhere near annoying as Wes was. Most magic in fantasy is a plot device an overused plot device but the role of mages and magic can be used in great ways like in Dragon Age where mages are more like the X-Men who have to be locked in a tower against their will where they learn how to control their powers under the watchful eyes of the Chantry (think of the Catholic Church ran by women) and their Templars an army of knights that hunt down and kill rouge mages called apostates who escape the tower, refuse to submit to the Chantry, or use forbidden Blood Magic (which can take over the minds of others and created all kinds of problems in the past). The mages who do learn how to use their powers can leave the tower but always subject to fear and prejudge unless someone needs healing.
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Post by bigw1966 on Feb 7, 2011 13:06:38 GMT -5
Tolkien himself stated that LOTR was a commentary on Industrialization. There are a number of documentaries about him that discuss just that. Howard had all of his stuff steeped into historical myth. Hyperboria was not created by him and is actually a place spoken of in religious and mythological texts going back over 5000 years. also, all of the different races he dealt with actually existed. The fantasy aspect lies in the wizards and weird creatures that are in some of the stories.
Harry potter IS Fantasy all the way. But, so are Superhero stories which I classify as Science Fiction.
Cyber; those movies did do it well, but, Star Wars pre-dates all of them and it was the film cited by defiant 1.
Yes contact spoke of those things, but it is a weak film at the end of the day made worse by Matthew Mconohey or however you spell it. GATTICA is far superior to that.
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