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Post by G on Nov 23, 2011 9:09:07 GMT -5
I believe Cyber called it. I believe he said the Human Torch would be alive for issue 600. Well....what do you know... Flame On! Marvel reignites the Human Torchnews.yahoo.com/flame-marvel-reignites-human-torch-073353986.htmlPHILADELPHIA (AP) — Where's Johnny Storm? In the latest issue of Marvel Comics' "Fantastic Four." Issue No. 600, out Wednesday, marks the first time since January the classic team created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby is back to its original roster: Mr. Fantastic, The Thing, the Invisible Woman and Johnny Storm, aka the Human Torch, who was last seen perishing in what looked to be an all-out brawl against the minions of the Negative Zone. Though it has only been 10 months since Marvel killed the Human Torch, death in the comics is rarely, if ever, a permanent condition. How and why the Torch — who, along with the rest of the Fantastic Four launched Marvel's silver age 50 years ago — has returned to the living is yet to be told. But Tom Breevort, senior vice president for publishing at Marvel, told The Associated Press it's a tale that will be told in No. 600 and future issues. "There's about 100 pages of story to tell just that," Brevoort said of Storm's return in issue 600. Death is no stranger to the Fantastic Four. Sue Storm, the Invisible Woman, supposedly died, but that was just a ruse. Similarly, her husband, Reed Richards, aka Mr. Fantastic, was thought to be dead after being caught in a blast with his archenemy, Dr. Doom. Instead of death, however, Richards and his nemesis were snatched away to another dimension. Brevoort said the new issue, which marks the title's return since No. 588 was published, makes it clear that Storm wasn't just hibernating or being held in a comatose state. "Yes, he did die. He died a couple of times," Brevoort said, adding that writer Jonathan Hickman had outlined the plans for a return months ago so readers won't "feel cheated or disappointed in the slightest." Hickman's plans will also be unveiled in the ongoing series "FF," which Marvel launched after the death of the Torch. It not only replaced the "Fantastic Four" but told the story of the surviving teammates, plus Spider-Man, too. "'FF' will also continue, and Jon will be writing both of them. They will both function as sister titles," Brevoort said. "One focusing on the core four and the other focusing on the Future Foundation and the broader base of characters that we have assembled."
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Post by G on Nov 23, 2011 9:10:00 GMT -5
My response to Marvel and their continued stupidity? At least it rights the original wrong. But it makes Marvel look like its driving a clowncar. Marvel is run by a bunch of FUCKING IDIOTS these days.
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Post by cyberstrike on Nov 23, 2011 20:23:07 GMT -5
The only good thing that I see about this is that this gives them a reason to kick Spider-Man off the Fantastic Four. ;D Other than that I find this whole "Death of Johnny Storm aka the Human Torch" thing a complete waste of time and trees. [Rant]I wish comic book creators and publishers wouldn't treat death like it's a joke. My mother is dead and she isn't coming back. To me is death is scared and should NEVER be treated like a joke which is what in my honest opinion that many creators and publishers treat death. You kill a character then should stay dead, and never be brought back to life, now you can do flashbacks where people remember the memories of the dead. They should not be brought back to life not in 10 months, 2 years, 5 years, or 20 years. Kill a character stay should stay dead forever. I know that IDW will release The Transformers #125 aka The Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime which would only be his 4 or 5th death in comics alone! And I know from past experience he will be back sometime in the future. I would be truely shocked if he stayed dead by the 25th issue of both new series The Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye and The Transformers: Robots in Disguise. I'm getting sick and tied of this shit.[/rant]
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Post by defiant1 on Nov 23, 2011 21:02:36 GMT -5
The only good thing that I see about this is that this gives them a reason to kick Spider-Man off the Fantastic Four. ;D Other than that I find this whole "Death of Johnny Storm aka the Human Torch" thing a complete waste of time and trees. [Rant]I wish comic book creators and publishers wouldn't treat death like it's a joke. My mother is dead and she isn't coming back. To me is death is scared and should NEVER be treated like a joke which is what in my honest opinion that many creators and publishers treat death. You kill a character then should stay dead, and never be brought back to life, now you can do flashbacks where people remember the memories of the dead. They should not be brought back to life not in 10 months, 2 years, 5 years, or 20 years. Kill a character stay should stay dead forever. I know that IDW will release The Transformers #125 aka The Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime which would only be his 4 or 5th death in comics alone! And I know from past experience he will be back sometime in the future. I would be truely shocked if he stayed dead by the 25th issue of both new series The Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye and The Transformers: Robots in Disguise. I'm getting sick and tied of this shit.[/rant] I just left a similar discussion on Jim Shooter's blog comments. I agree don't bring them back, but better yet, don't kill a character that is the fucking REASON I'm buying the comic. If he's going to die, I don't need to read his story. df1
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Post by defiant1 on Nov 23, 2011 21:07:55 GMT -5
Is that more JR JR shit art?
Human torch looks like a pussy. Invisible woman looks like a preteen who can't buy clothes that fit. Reed looks like he was molded out of plastic. The coloring just makes it look worse.
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Post by defiant1 on Nov 23, 2011 21:08:40 GMT -5
BTW, I didn't read the article. I don't care what it says.
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Post by G on Nov 24, 2011 9:19:37 GMT -5
The only good thing that I see about this is that this gives them a reason to kick Spider-Man off the Fantastic Four. ;D According to the article, Spider-Man will continue to appear in the FF series. I swear, the couple of issues I do have of that book was basically Spider-Man to stand around and tell a joke or two. It's really horrible how Spider-Man is in the FF. Just disgusting. To further worsen things, lets look at the FF's numbering. It goes from #1 to #588 and now picks back up at #600. WTF??? At least we could have pretended the FF books were the missing issues, but since that series will continue alongside the Fantastic Four book, how is someone supposed to keep their books in chronological order? This is just another maddening aspect to what is Marvel today. I swear we never have these confusing aspects back in the day. I hardly see how we have improved over the years. Marvel is just a disgrace these days! [Rant]I wish comic book creators and publishers wouldn't treat death like it's a joke. My mother is dead and she isn't coming back. To me is death is scared and should NEVER be treated like a joke which is what in my honest opinion that many creators and publishers treat death. You kill a character then should stay dead, and never be brought back to life, now you can do flashbacks where people remember the memories of the dead. They should not be brought back to life not in 10 months, 2 years, 5 years, or 20 years. Kill a character stay should stay dead forever. Yeah, death is the biggest joke in comics. If a character STAYED dead I wouldn't have too much of a problem if it was done to certain characters every blue moon. But the key is to stay dead. Obviously companies don't want to lose a character's marketability and they keep bringing them back. This is why you should only kill losing characters who aren't making people read and no one is buying any of their products, if there is any. It's obvious this is a failed character. Kill that Mofo and don't bring him back....EVER. As it is now, it is blasphemy how they treat death and it offends all of us who have lost loved ones. We aren't getting them back. Why should they???
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Post by defiant1 on Nov 24, 2011 14:46:19 GMT -5
The only good thing that I see about this is that this gives them a reason to kick Spider-Man off the Fantastic Four. ;D According to the article, Spider-Man will continue to appear in the FF series. I swear, the couple of issues I do have of that book was basically Spider-Man to stand around and tell a joke or two. It's really horrible how Spider-Man is in the FF. Just disgusting. To further worsen things, lets look at the FF's numbering. It goes from #1 to #588 and now picks back up at #600. WTF??? At least we could have pretended the FF books were the missing issues, but since that series will continue alongside the Fantastic Four book, how is someone supposed to keep their books in chronological order? This is just another maddening aspect to what is Marvel today. I swear we never have these confusing aspects back in the day. I hardly see how we have improved over the years. Marvel is just a disgrace these days! [Rant]I wish comic book creators and publishers wouldn't treat death like it's a joke. My mother is dead and she isn't coming back. To me is death is scared and should NEVER be treated like a joke which is what in my honest opinion that many creators and publishers treat death. You kill a character then should stay dead, and never be brought back to life, now you can do flashbacks where people remember the memories of the dead. They should not be brought back to life not in 10 months, 2 years, 5 years, or 20 years. Kill a character stay should stay dead forever. Yeah, death is the biggest joke in comics. If a character STAYED dead I wouldn't have too much of a problem if it was done to certain characters every blue moon. But the key is to stay dead. Obviously companies don't want to lose a character's marketability and they keep bringing them back. This is why you should only kill losing characters who aren't making people read and no one is buying any of their products, if there is any. It's obvious this is a failed character. Kill that Mofo and don't bring him back....EVER. As it is now, it is blasphemy how they treat death and it offends all of us who have lost loved ones. We aren't getting them back. Why should they??? I don't want the endless flashbacks either. I was so sick of being retold about Bucky dying. I'm even sick of hearing about Jor-El's sacrifice. df1
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Post by cyberstrike on Nov 25, 2011 9:35:15 GMT -5
The only good thing that I see about this is that this gives them a reason to kick Spider-Man off the Fantastic Four. ;D According to the article, Spider-Man will continue to appear in the FF series. I swear, the couple of issues I do have of that book was basically Spider-Man to stand around and tell a joke or two. It's really horrible how Spider-Man is in the FF. Just disgusting. I expect FF will get the axe around #25. I agree the numbering is a mess but I will like to point out something though: The Fanastic Four never actually went from #1-#588. It was canceled and restarted twice before with Heroes Reborn (vol. 2) and then post- Heroes Reborn (vol. 3) series I think Marvel reverted the numbering back around #500 (vol. 4 and that's a guess and not a fact since I haven't read the book since the #347- the end of Heroes Reborn). #600 and beyond would be vol. 5. The reason that Marvel is giving is simlar to what Warren and editor Forest J. Ackerman said about Famous Monsters of Filmland #70-#80, that another monster magazine that they put out called Monster World which only lasted 10 issues were what those issues would have been. The new owner of Famous Monsters of Filmland apparently disagrees and as published #70 and #71 and looks to publish the "lost" issues as a side project. And #70-#80 is not the only gap in the numbering of that magazine. [Rant]I wish comic book creators and publishers wouldn't treat death like it's a joke. My mother is dead and she isn't coming back. To me is death is scared and should NEVER be treated like a joke which is what in my honest opinion that many creators and publishers treat death. You kill a character then should stay dead, and never be brought back to life, now you can do flashbacks where people remember the memories of the dead. They should not be brought back to life not in 10 months, 2 years, 5 years, or 20 years. Kill a character stay should stay dead forever. Yeah, death is the biggest joke in comics. If a character STAYED dead I wouldn't have too much of a problem if it was done to certain characters every blue moon. But the key is to stay dead. Obviously companies don't want to lose a character's marketability and they keep bringing them back. This is why you should only kill losing characters who aren't making people read and no one is buying any of their products, if there is any. It's obvious this is a failed character. Kill that Mofo and don't bring him back....EVER. As it is now, it is blasphemy how they treat death and it offends all of us who have lost loved ones. We aren't getting them back. Why should they??? Because killing a big name character gets attention. Kill a character that no one really knows or likes and who cares?
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Post by G on Nov 25, 2011 22:55:10 GMT -5
According to the article, Spider-Man will continue to appear in the FF series. I swear, the couple of issues I do have of that book was basically Spider-Man to stand around and tell a joke or two. It's really horrible how Spider-Man is in the FF. Just disgusting. I expect FF will get the axe around #25. That seems like an excellent summation because that is typically about where second tier books die. I agree the numbering is a mess but I will like to point out something though: The Fanastic Four never actually went from #1-#588. It was canceled and restarted twice before with Heroes Reborn (vol. 2) and then post- Heroes Reborn (vol. 3) series I think Marvel reverted the numbering back around #500 (vol. 4 and that's a guess and not a fact since I haven't read the book since the #347- the end of Heroes Reborn). #600 and beyond would be vol. 5. You are correct with this. I knew this but forgot to mention this. The thing I should have said was basically when the mainstream book was cancelled and the relaunch had it's numbers, the mainstream picked back up in numbering equal to where it would have been had the mainstream never been cancelled. So even though the numbers got jacked up, they never really skipped the numbering when they returned. (Did that make any sense?) However, this time when the Mainstream book returns, the second tier book will keep going. This almost puts a "Y" fork in the road as 2 comics will continue and the mainstream will pick up in numbering like it never left but now it runs along with the second tier book. This timeline won't be straight. It basically has a bunch of penises hanging off it. In any event, I would prefer that it stay with the original numbering or if you're going to relaunch, don't keep going back to the original numbering, just keep on with your relaunch numbers. I can see it now, Detective Comics and Action Comics will revert back to original numbering once they get to 1000. To me, this is all just sadness. How can kids be taught to collect if even grown adults can't figure out the numbering??? killing a big name character gets attention. Kill a character that no one really knows or likes and who cares? True....I'm just saying if you're going to have death make it real. If you don't want to suffer the marketing loses of a big name character, kill off a nobody if death has to be involved. You want comics to have certain rules to follow then death should be real. Not hocus-pocus, he or she's returned!
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