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Post by defiant1 on Aug 23, 2010 14:41:46 GMT -5
I disagree strongly that Manapul's art serves the needs of the story if I have to thumb forward and back several pages to figure out who the characters are. If not for the symbols on the shirts and there being a limited number with a scruffy beard, I would not have been able to discern who the characters were.
Also, Shooter is not going to flat out insult the guy if he's working on a project with him. He wants to stay employed and he's already got a bad reputation. Jim insulted Manapul in the nicest and most politically correct way possible. I have chatted with enough creators to know that Jim has higher expectations than what Manapul was delivering. Jim is picky about panel layouts, breaking the borders of panels, camera angles, and a whole bunch of things that he uses to facilitate the telling of a story. I can look at certain pages and know... "Jim wouldn't like that."
df1
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Post by bigw1966 on Aug 23, 2010 17:48:51 GMT -5
Then why in the hell are they giving the guy so much work? He did at least 5 covers this month and is working on 3 different titles.
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Post by G on Aug 23, 2010 18:08:52 GMT -5
Then why in the hell are they giving the guy so much work? He did at least 5 covers this month and is working on 3 different titles. Well, he isn't without talent. He can get what is considered professional work done and he does appeal to a range of collectors that do like his style. He obviously appeals to some. Unfortunately he doesn't appeal to me and others. Sorta like when Liefeld was hot. A lot of us couldn't understand it at the time, but he was still getting plenty of work because apparently a lot of people liked it, even those who wouldn't admit it. Im sure Manupal has his fair amount of fans, I'm just not one of them. And I don't feel he should be kept from drawing comics, I just hope eventually he's better than what I think he is now.
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Post by defiant1 on Aug 23, 2010 21:18:53 GMT -5
Then why in the hell are they giving the guy so much work? He did at least 5 covers this month and is working on 3 different titles. In all honesty... I think it's because he's affordable and he's no worse than any of the other art out there. Most of the artists I like can sustain quite well outside of the comics industry doing storyboards or advertising art. The whole industry is pumping out marginal quality. If there was one artist today that was pumping out comic art on the level of Keith Pollard or Rich Buckler, I'd be making trips to the comic shops on a more regular basis. I looked in Magnus #1 yesterday. All the pages they previewed online were reasonably well inked. Get past that and the book is sloppy as hell. The Magnus artist can draw, but he;s inking himself and taking shortcuts. It looks like sketch art at the end of the book. df1
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Post by cyberstrike on Aug 24, 2010 10:23:27 GMT -5
Bill Reinhold's art has always been kind of sketchy.
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Post by defiant1 on Aug 24, 2010 18:56:15 GMT -5
Bill Reinhold's art has always been kind of sketchy. He needs an inker to clean up the sloppy stray lines. He does a pretty good job on robots. It's like he cares about the robots and then throws in a few human characters as an afterthought. df1
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Post by defiant1 on Sept 13, 2010 16:17:17 GMT -5
Here is what Jim's friend said about the Legion run...
"Yeah, I get excited when I read Jim's scripts and sometimes the final product is a bit of a let down. Not always, of course, but when Jim isn't involved in the process of creating the whole book, it's less likely to meet the standard of the script. I know he was very disappointed in the way DC treated the work very carelessly. "
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Post by defiant1 on Sept 13, 2010 16:24:00 GMT -5
I read Solar #2 at the comic book store. I thought the art in the book looked horrible and the story looked like it was very loosely plotted and scripted just to fill out a plot transition. I think Jim is stretched thin even with the delays.
#1 Summarized Solar's origin. Introduced some characters. #2 Rehashed the new characters and introduced a more threatening new character.
I wasn't pleased with the rehashing of the new characters. Again though, the artwork was in my opinion ... horrible.
df1
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Post by cyberstrike on Sept 13, 2010 18:40:55 GMT -5
Bill Reinhold's art has always been kind of sketchy. He needs an inker to clean up the sloppy stray lines. He does a pretty good job on robots. It's like he cares about the robots and then throws in a few human characters as an afterthought. df1 Actually IMHO it's the reverse, but then again I'm a HUGE fan of The Transformers and and anime giant mecha shows like the various Mobile Suit Gundam and Macross series and sci-fi Mass Effect, The Matrix, and The Terminator so robots have to be really designed well to make me scared of them and the robots of Magnus, Robot Fighter look stupid to me.
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Post by defiant1 on Sept 13, 2010 21:07:08 GMT -5
He needs an inker to clean up the sloppy stray lines. He does a pretty good job on robots. It's like he cares about the robots and then throws in a few human characters as an afterthought. df1 Actually IMHO it's the reverse, but then again I'm a HUGE fan of The Transformers and and anime giant mecha shows like the various Mobile Suit Gundam and Macross series and sci-fi Mass Effect, The Matrix, and The Terminator so robots have to be really designed well to make me scared of them and the robots of Magnus, Robot Fighter look stupid to me. Well, robots designed to serve man shouldn't look scary. I think I'd like to see art along the lines of Richard Bennett. www.angelfire.com/comics2/treasury/Image/001_Brass.html(Not saying this cover is all that great) df1
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