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Post by G on Jan 29, 2011 11:56:24 GMT -5
also, if I remember right, you tend to start at one point and draw everything out from there instead of building a foundation and detailing it. (what I do). when you do it the way you do, its hard to avoid those things. Believe it or not, my drawings today start with a rough layout and then gets filled in. So no, I didn't just start with the head and draw downward. Yeah, I used to do that but I have since progressed to roughs first and then filling in. A lot of these pieces I have done have challenged me by having a lot spread out so in order to get most of those things in there, I had to rough it out first. Otherwise, I never would have made it. The Master of Kung Fu was actually one of the easier layouts because there isn't much to it. The problem was it didn't look bad until I was nearly done. Plus like I said, I put a deadline on myself. I tend to tell myself "I want to be done by time I get off work on this day". Turns out I'm done working that job, so I finished a bit in a rush. I was recognizing that the head was too big and made efforts to reduce it. Really I just hosed it up. Its a shame too because otherwise I like this picture I did. I enjoyed drawing it. But every time I get done with something, I always notice things I don't like about it. Even on my favorites and what I think is my best works. I know I have a long ways to go. But the constant drawing has made a few things easier. The only real shame with this new job is it's going to be hard for me to continue drawing. I need to fix my man cave and get it right so I can draw at home. That is something that totally doesn't exist now and I need to change. My energy to draw has never been greater. I really don't want to quit.
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Post by bigw1966 on Jan 31, 2011 12:19:57 GMT -5
Well, I am glad to see you have changed your approach to doing your art. Roughing out helps a great deal. I also like the fact that all of the images you have been choosing offer much more than just a figure. Like you said, it helps to challenge you to make it happen. The deadline thing is good also. It gives you something to work towards while also forcing you to push the drawing aside and move on when its time.
Keep at it "G".
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Post by G on Jan 31, 2011 14:23:27 GMT -5
Thanks dude. There is only 2 things I will be mourning when I go to my new job about my old one.
1) is I no longer have 3 days off a week. But just as that sounds great, the job itself sucked and my days were literally 13 hrs a day when I did go, so I'm not going to really miss that at all. I'm going to work a regular 8 hrs now and be home within 10 minutes tops. For awhile at least, my days should feel quick.
2) I'm no longer going to be able to draw at my desk. Being on phones and talking to customers all day it was nothing to be troubleshooting a problem with a customer for an hr and pick up my pencil and draw. In fact, it was the only way I kept my sanity a lot of times. It felt like I was doing something constructive while I was working. Now, I have to put that aside. No more talking to customers. From here on out I will be in a zone working. Which I kinda like because the #1 thing is.....NO MORE CUSTOMERS!!! Wooohooo!!!! But the big thing to mourn is my drawing will stop. I'm trying to situate myself to where eventually I get an art desk in my overcrowded man cave. If I can ever manage that, I'll start drawing in my off time. I have been drawing straight for about the last 8 months or so. Longest in 20 years easily. I'm not ready to quit when I feel like I was slowly improving and getting a feel for some of it. As you know, it's so much a use it or lose it affair. It won't take long for me to be back where I was 8 months ago. So I need to get back on the ball ASAP.
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Post by bigw1966 on Feb 1, 2011 14:20:56 GMT -5
I know what you mean. I have been spending so much time inking lately just to get a solid grasp on that, that I have not worked on any pages at all. Which sucks, because I felt my last project looked like a move foreward for me, even though background wise the story left some things to be desired. such as having the entire story take place in sitght of the crashed ship where it waspretty much barren.
Still, I need to work on some pages. I can still help you with a desk man.
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Post by G on Feb 1, 2011 15:00:02 GMT -5
I know what you mean. I have been spending so much time inking lately just to get a solid grasp on that, that I have not worked on any pages at all. Which sucks, because I felt my last project looked like a move foreward for me, even though background wise the story left some things to be desired. such as having the entire story take place in sitght of the crashed ship where it waspretty much barren. Still, I need to work on some pages. I can still help you with a desk man. I think your comic work was progressing. I think your layouts have improved and your tendency to get pages done picked up. Those were things I was digging with your new work. The background didn't bother me much because it was part of the story and it was just the location thing. I never want to be negative man because I know how hard you work and I know whats involved is not easy. My only complain with your new work compared to your old is there is so many ways you picked up (the layouts, the composition, the speed, etc)....my only real concern is I think your art looks more cartoony now compared to when I used to critique work you did on say Apollo. In so many ways you have improved compared to then, but the one aspect I dig more from then than now, is I thought you were drawing more realistic and tighter then. Your movement and everything else is better today and beats back-then hands down, I just prefer the more detailed and realistic approach you were trying back then. It's been like a give and take. In so many ways you've improved and I see it. But if I had a real complaint, it would be that. I'd like to see you with the speed, layouts, composition, movement and storytelling of today, with the detail of yesterday. I know you won't like that comment, but I say it with all with 100% due respect. You don't quit either bro. Shit, if I had it my way, we'd make comics ourselves. But if I was involved I'd quit if we put out lame covers, mini series and the same bs everyone else does. You could be new school all you want, but I'd have to pay respect to the old school masters too. Sigh....sometimes I wish.
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Post by bigw1966 on Feb 2, 2011 10:23:04 GMT -5
All of that is still possible dude. As for my work. I agree. I did used to focus more on the realism aspect. Quite honestly I am still usingm uch of that, but mainly in attention to detail. I have been trying to keep my style in that direction while trying to come up with a faster and more consistent approach. Styles change, I am just trying to control the change to my satisfaction.
Also, don't worry so much about what you guys say in critiques. I handle that stuff very well and I know enough of your thinking to get what you mean.
Now, if you were like Dude, that just sucks. You should put the pencil away. Well then I would give you what for. But the rest actually either points to something I missed or more often than not, lets me know I am not the only one who noticed certain things. I post on facebook hoping for feedback, but most of my stuff gets ignored. I guess when you are surrounded by all of the known names, your just a shadow in the corner.
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Post by G on Jun 20, 2011 7:25:39 GMT -5
A real quick portrait I did a few weeks ago with the emphasis on real quick. I'm not 100% happy with this but I'm not unhappy with it either. I think if I could have devoted a lot more time to this I could have made it a lot more solid. As it was I had to rush to get it finished and I didn't exactly have great tools to work with. 1 mechanical pencil and 1 eraser and a small photograph. I thought I enlarged it quite well naturally and got the features mostly down. Couple things bother me and always will, but overall I'm okay with this. It was good practice during a down time for me. The person I did it for seemed to love it so I take something from that.
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Post by defiant1 on Jun 20, 2011 15:56:16 GMT -5
A real quick portrait I did a few weeks ago with the emphasis on real quick. I'm not 100% happy with this but I'm not unhappy with it either. I think if I could have devoted a lot more time to this I could have made it a lot more solid. As it was I had to rush to get it finished and I didn't exactly have great tools to work with. 1 mechanical pencil and 1 eraser and a small photograph. I thought I enlarged it quite well naturally and got the features mostly down. Couple things bother me and always will, but overall I'm okay with this. It was good practice during a down time for me. The person I did it for seemed to love it so I take something from that. Blah blah blah.... excellent... blah blah blah. df1
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Post by G on Jun 20, 2011 20:49:58 GMT -5
Blah blah blah.... excellent... blah blah blah. df1 Not sure what to make of that. If it wasn't you, I'd probably be more confident about it.
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Post by defiant1 on Jun 20, 2011 20:52:49 GMT -5
Blah blah blah.... excellent... blah blah blah. df1 Not sure what to make of that. If it wasn't you, I'd probably be more confident about it. I abbreviated the unimportant things I might say with "blah". Any important words I left alone. df1
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