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Post by G on Jun 29, 2010 23:45:17 GMT -5
The family photo covers are just one aspect of the problem. Variants are another aspect of the problem. They've forgotten what their core purpose is. Damn good quote..... -They've forgotten what their core purpose is. That's really it in a nutshell. In the 60's, 70's and 80's, there were virtually very little or no gimmicks of multiple, variant, limited, mini, maxi, mega, crossover, restarted, legacy numbered returns, 1:10 - 1:100 ratioed comics out there. It was simply for eons be the publisher that combined really good writers with a really talented artists and deliver a better product than the competition and be rewarded with loyal readers, subscribers and collectors for a well done product. That's what worked for comics for decades. -They've forgotten what their core purpose is. It's the smoke and mirrors that are killing comics these days.
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Post by bigw1966 on Jun 30, 2010 9:57:57 GMT -5
First, I made a mistake yesterday. It is not Adventure comics that is getting the new format, but ACTION Comics which is getting what I described. cyberstrike; While it is true that those guys do answer to someone else from the main corporate office, DC Is actually a seperate Arm of a larger company. Being such their executives have pretty much the same level of power and authority as the people they work for. They are generally autonimous from the parent corp also until the numbers drop to a point that the parent company notices the loss. In a nutshell, Warners does not tell them how to make comics. Warners asks them how they can make films based on their comic properties better. Quesada actually just got promoted to an even higher executive position within the company. One that puts him above the EIC role that he still holds. The thing about this new position is that it is very similar to what Leob just got promoted too. @defient 1 & GW; You hit it right on the head. GW most of that stuff did not even begin until the late 80's with the starting growth of the Graphic Novel age as well as with the release of CAMELOT 3000. That was the first mini series. Then when Perlmutter took over the company, it moved away from creators making creative decisions back to Editors and Executives making those decisions like they did up through the 60's. Problem was is that Perlmutter brought in a bunch of marketing whiz kids who started the varient craze and the mass mini, maxi, one shot age that nearly wrecked the Industry in the 90's. Now it is as I posted before, a matter of getting more money into the coffers for the company.
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Post by cyberstrike on Jun 30, 2010 14:52:10 GMT -5
First, I made a mistake yesterday. It is not Adventure comics that is getting the new format, but ACTION Comics which is getting what I described. cyberstrike; While it is true that those guys do answer to someone else from the main corporate office, DC Is actually a seperate Arm of a larger company. Being such their executives have pretty much the same level of power and authority as the people they work for. They are generally autonimous from the parent corp also until the numbers drop to a point that the parent company notices the loss. In a nutshell, Warners does not tell them how to make comics. Warners asks them how they can make films based on their comic properties better. No, Warner Bros owns the company, and is taking a more active interest in running DCE hence the company's name change from DC Comics to DC Entertainment. Warner Bros and most of the other major film companies let other production companies make the movies and they just distribute, WB, Universal, Paramount, Fox, Sony, and the rest only actually make very little films now of days. It was another production company Legendary Pictures that help fund and make movies like The Dark Knight and Watchmen all Warner Bros did was basically give them permission to make the movie and get the movies into theaters, DVD, BR, and on TV.
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Post by bigw1966 on Jul 3, 2010 9:27:20 GMT -5
Legendary is a production company that I may be wrong, but I think it is owned by Bryan Singer. Just like Icon Is owned by Mel Gibson. Producers are generally the ones who finance films. Warners IS taking a more direct approach to the comic line only so far as to maintain control of the properties themselves just like Marvel did. What DC did was a response to Marvel.
Time/Warners acted like they didn't even know they owned a comic company as stated by them when the announcment was made about the changes.
Now that being the case, Warners does not have any say into the editorial process of DC Comics. The Comic company is a subsidiary. An arm in a greater corporation. But like all of the divisions, DC makes its own decisions about publishing. The only time that Time/Warner would step in is if DC was losing money and they needed a head to chop so they could reorganize.
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Post by AC on Oct 22, 2010 22:00:51 GMT -5
Sorry to bump the aged thread... been gone awhile.
I agree, these variant covers have gotten quite out of control... It bugs the hell out of me to go into a shop and see a book that was released THAT day for $20 next to the $2.99 version of same.
What's worse, is that Marvel have seemed to fool all of us into thinking a PLAIN WHITE COVER is a variant worth paying extra for. I'd understand these being sold at con's, but seriously... I don't need a local artist sketching up an issue of a Marvel book (s)he had nothing to do with.
I have a feeling that in 10 years there'll be a column on whatever comics web-site that's trendy at the time mocking the "era of variant cover overload" much like we now deride the 90's gimmicks.
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Post by G on Oct 22, 2010 22:11:42 GMT -5
Sorry to bump the aged thread... been gone awhile. I agree, these variant covers have gotten quite out of control... It bugs the hell out of me to go into a shop and see a book that was released THAT day for $20 next to the $2.99 version of same. What's worse, is that Marvel have seemed to fool all of us into thinking a PLAIN WHITE COVER is a variant worth paying extra for. I'd understand these being sold at con's, but seriously... I don't need a local artist sketching up an issue of a Marvel book (s)he had nothing to do with. I have a feeling that in 10 years there'll be a column on whatever comics web-site that's trendy at the time mocking the "era of variant cover overload" much like we now deride the 90's gimmicks. Great to see you again Ace! ;D I agree with the blank variants out these days. That's the coo of the century for comic publishers. Just slap a paste up of a logo and leave the rest blank. Genius for them but dumb as hell for us. I agree it's nice if THE artist who drew it did a sketch variant for you, but this has seen too many people with nothing to do with the book or even the company doing sketches on these covers. Utter nonsense! I have to continue to hype though. If there is going to be endless variants, I should have a reliable resource and easy to use to know what is what. You almost need an Overstreet for variants these days and that's just too difficult.
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Post by AC on Oct 24, 2010 12:15:28 GMT -5
This is a very true fact. For now, whenever I try to track the values of any good finds I come across in the wild I use an online comics price guide... each issue nowadays has 2-4 line items due to this variant nonsense. Overstreet'll have to add a couple of hundred pages to fit this garbage.
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