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Post by defiant1 on Apr 20, 2010 18:34:16 GMT -5
I've looked at countless issues of Walking Dead. I can buy the last 20 issues or so at a shop in town. I think the art is horrible. I don't want to read about zombies. You couldn't pay me to even pretend to be interested in zombies. Ellis doesn't overwhelm me as a writer, so I don't care what Fell is about. I didn't assume Fell was a horror comic, but it does look irreverent and pretentious. Again... I don't like the art on the cover. I feel like it's a comic book company's responsibility to make the cover at least interesting. If they fail at their most important task, why should I assume it's worth my time and effort? I own some Image comics. As a general rule, I'm tired of looking for the needle in the haystack. When you open the pages of their books and 95% have either NO appeal or no LASTING appeal, why even give them a shot? Of all the comics I bought between the years 1996 & 2000, I wish I could have my money back on all the Image I bought during that time. I regret all the times I gave them the benefit of the doubt. I can't think of one Image comic that I feel I really 'must have'. Not one. df1 If it isn't one thing it's another. You are ignorant about Image in the past 10 years. No... I'm not. I've sat in the comic shop for hours on end chatting with my friends all over town that ordered the books since they were the owners and managers of various stores. I can thumb through and read any comic I want without buying them. I had about 4 stores at one time that wanted to hire me because of my knowledge about comics in general. Simple truth is, most comic writers and artists write about stuff that doesn't interest me. They have no science background. Their life experiences are based upon comics they read as kids. You like things I don't like and vice-versa. Obviously anyone buying comics is going to tell me their purchases are worthwhile. I look at the math of how many people quit buying comics and I believe the majority of collectors wanted something different. Since they weren't getting it, they left the hobby altogether. With writers like Ellis, Moore, and whoever else... if they are such good writers... why are they even writing comics? A national best selling novel has a far more lucrative pay associated with it. The fact is, these guys aren't good enough to work outside comics on a regular basis. df1
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Post by defiant1 on Apr 20, 2010 19:17:45 GMT -5
I wouldn't go so far as to do any Rah, rah, rahs, but At least be able to contribute something other than I hate this and I hate that and so on. And I am not trying to offend defient1 who I am talking about here, but you pretty much act like comics went to shit after the silver age. I only base that upon the posts here. Comics went to shit after the bronze age. Comics back then had a moral message and I liked it. Shooter had some magic going on at Valiant & Broadway without the morality lesson, but for the most part comics are overall pretty shallow, uninspiring, and not very thought provoking. Don't get me wrong though. Some good indy books came out after 1993. Strangehaven had me hooked and it's not a superhero book. Optic Nerve was an uncanny social statement that does strike a nerve through a visual means. In a lighthearted way, Budd Root's Cavewoman was a fun read until he jumped over to Avatar and turned into a porn comic. Hudnall's Harsh Realm was excellent and I can't stand the fantasy genre. He turned fantasy into science. I've been scanning comics in my collection for my messageboard. Virtually ever Marvel comic I pick up from 1999 looks like crap. If it wasn't trying to clone John Romita Jr's poorly stylized art, then it was trying to be some low rate Manga rip. I liked Ressurection Man from DC when it was coming out, but I wasn't able to keep up on reading it. Are you telling me your stomach hasn't turned a bit in the last 15 years when you saw yet another Wolverine appearance in a comic where he didn't need to be? Punisher was the same way. I've never been a DC fan and to me they only get worse if you look at them over time. Superman gets his power from a yellow sun? Multicolored Kryptonite does wacky crazy things to him... or it kills him? Batman with all his wealth has no better way to fight crime than don a spandex uniform with a full military arsenal on his belt? DC was better as pure camp. Lois Lane #106 was a priceless issue when she turned into a black woman. Obviously anyone can be Green Lantern, so the characterization becomes irrelevant in the larger scheme of things. You are reading about a ring, not a hero. Marvel turned all their heroes into pathetic losers over time. It wasn't always obvious the first time the stories started creeping into continuity. Cap died recently. Daredevil couldn't save Karen Page. If you go back further, Iron Man became an alcoholic. Captain Marvel died. I picked up super hero comics to read about superheroes, not dip wads with superpowers fucking up. Reading about losers and dumb asses with super powers doesn't inspire me. I want to read about people with providence. I want to read about characters that have the power and the ability to overcome obstacles in a positive and absolute way. Moore writing about rapist "heroes" is garbage. Gwen Stacy dying pisses me off to this day. Ditko said once that he wouldn't do a character like Spiderman again because heroes don't have flaws. That is a man of inspiration. df1
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Post by defiant1 on Apr 20, 2010 19:45:15 GMT -5
Never Judge a book by its cover. If you cannot stand anything past the silver age, then you shouldn't take part in conversations about modern comics. Why? What I like about comics was robbed from me and poisoned by people who had no respect for what the characters were. I should have the right to defend my point of view. I defend the point of view of all the fans that left the hobby. They wandered off because what they enjoyed was taken from them. The main reason I post here is because Gowaltrip wants me to post here. The same is true at another board or two. I have my own board that often pops up in the top spot on Google searches. I post there regularly whether people visit or not. The stuff I say is stuff I'd post on a board with no members. Actually, in all honesty I do have a board with no members where I post. I practice marketing techniques to get search engines hits, so I do have a sandbox or two where I never send people. Gowaltrip got pissed at me because I did leave for awhile. Simple truth is that me and him see eye to eye on a lot of things. He's more of an optimist at heart. He would rather watch the ebb and flow and see how the cards fall. I draw the line and say pass/fail. That's why I'm a quality inspector for a living. I get paid to point out crap and tell people they need to fix it. I do it online free of charge. As far as Zombies go... I don't want to read about them. I don't care about any other message of the book. I wouldn't want onions in a cheescake, and I don't want zombies in a story. It's as cut and dried as that. If Kirkman has some deeper message that he wants me to read, he can leave out zombies and I'll consider reading it. It's not a story element that interests me at all. df1
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Post by azbatx on Apr 20, 2010 20:39:58 GMT -5
Obviously anyone can be Green Lantern, so the characterization becomes irrelevant in the larger scheme of things. You are reading about a ring, not a hero. df1 What the hell are you talking about? Not anyone can be a GL. Have you sat down to know anything about what goes on in this book?
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Post by G on Apr 20, 2010 21:01:17 GMT -5
This thread is getting out of hand.
I'm locking it.
I've never had to do this before, but as I posted a couple of years ago, when insults get to a level I think is getting out of hand, I'm deleting said posts and locking said threads if necessary.
I feel this is necessary.
I love the debates, but no insults are necessary.
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Post by G on Apr 23, 2010 12:57:55 GMT -5
Just for clarification. I've been told that it looks like I locked the Image United thread prematurely and that it doesn't look like anything too offensive took place.
Well as I said, for clarification, I don't think everyone realizes there was another post that I deleted that I felt needed to be deleted. What remains on this thread is what took place up to that point. I locked the thread to cool the fire down.
If anyone wants to continue the debate, please start another thread. But I think we can all get our point across without insulting others.
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